From oliver at agilechilli.com  Fri Jul  1 14:32:25 2016
From: oliver at agilechilli.com (Oliver Kohll)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:32:25 +0100
Subject: [_] Java and Postgres expertise
Message-ID: <2541AE93-60AC-492E-B3E1-DFC77164CF0A@agilechilli.com>

Hi,

I've recently come across a company who wants some additional Java and Postgres resources - they asked me because that's my skillset. Unfortunately I'm too busy working on projects for our own business to take on outside work, even as consultancy, but just thought it worth mentioning.

I won't post their details as I don't want to be responsible for a flood of recruitment offers, which I'm sure they've got covered.

However they have offices in Cardiff and Bristol/Bath and are working on some pretty exciting big data/mission critical systems.

If anyone's interested, please contact me directly.

Cheers
Oliver

From matt at quernus.co.uk  Sun Jul  3 14:15:53 2016
From: matt at quernus.co.uk (Quernus)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:15:53 +0100
Subject: [_] Gramophone repair
Message-ID: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>

Anyone know anywhere local that could repair an old wind-up gramophone? I think the main spring might have gone on it. 

-Matt

? 
Matt Hamilton
Quernus
matt at quernus.co.uk
+44 117 325 3025
64 Easton Business Centre
Felix Road, Easton
Bristol, BS5 0HE

Quernus Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 09076246


From benrwhite at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 15:20:43 2016
From: benrwhite at gmail.com (Benjamin White)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:20:43 +0100
Subject: [_] Gramophone repair
In-Reply-To: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>
References: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CACxVwLqfhtjbwRiXGZH2Zj62B+MeYQnAxQuyOu36XyJ+5v7Cpw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know personally, but these guys might well do:

http://www.shellacsound.co.uk/

They DJed for our wedding tea and are lovely people.

I hope you find someone that can help.
On 3 Jul 2016 14:56, "Quernus" <matt at quernus.co.uk> wrote:

> Anyone know anywhere local that could repair an old wind-up gramophone? I
> think the main spring might have gone on it.
>
> -Matt
>
> ?
> Matt Hamilton
> Quernus
> matt at quernus.co.uk
> +44 117 325 3025
> 64 Easton Business Centre
> Felix Road, Easton
> Bristol, BS5 0HE
>
> Quernus Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales. Registered
> number: 09076246
>
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore

From russf at topia.com  Sun Jul  3 16:02:13 2016
From: russf at topia.com (Russ Ferriday)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 08:02:13 -0700
Subject: [_] Gramophone repair
In-Reply-To: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>
References: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8A84D557-4FD9-4DF3-B2D6-7E358F3909D3@topia.com>

A clockmaker might help. 

Russ Ferriday
M: +44 7429 518822
Skype: ferriday

> On 3 Jul 2016, at 06:15, Quernus <matt at quernus.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Anyone know anywhere local that could repair an old wind-up gramophone? I think the main spring might have gone on it. 
> 
> -Matt
> 
> ? 
> Matt Hamilton
> Quernus
> matt at quernus.co.uk
> +44 117 325 3025
> 64 Easton Business Centre
> Felix Road, Easton
> Bristol, BS5 0HE
> 
> Quernus Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 09076246
> 
> -- 
> underscore_ list info/archive -> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore

From me at amias.net  Mon Jul  4 07:49:37 2016
From: me at amias.net (Amias Channer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 07:49:37 +0100
Subject: [_] Gramophone repair
In-Reply-To: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>
References: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAMgU7XVXUfiqFwZWBCe_6W1t3o4cD1=sP82Af_tHyfDHfi3vTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Matt,

Try my friend the wind up merchant, he is sure to know.
http://www.thewindupmerchant.co.uk

Cheers
Amias
On 3 Jul 2016 2:54 p.m., "Quernus" <matt at quernus.co.uk> wrote:

> Anyone know anywhere local that could repair an old wind-up gramophone? I
> think the main spring might have gone on it.
>
> -Matt
>
> ?
> Matt Hamilton
> Quernus
> matt at quernus.co.uk
> +44 117 325 3025
> 64 Easton Business Centre
> Felix Road, Easton
> Bristol, BS5 0HE
>
> Quernus Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales. Registered
> number: 09076246
>
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore

From jon.free at wastesource.co.uk  Mon Jul  4 16:02:11 2016
From: jon.free at wastesource.co.uk (Jon Free)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:02:11 +0100
Subject: [_] Outbound Payments
Message-ID: <CAJwc0ZPBN7Zz3=QDkurVBB=8923SPubLb-E8MfJF=YvGULWGnA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Does such a thing exist as an outbound payment gateway. Effectively and API
that accepts requests to pay people from our bank account rather than the
norm of people paying us?

I'm assuming banks offer this to large businesses but obviously they are
all dicks so I'd steer clear of that option until I had to.

Thanks

Jon

From ray at rcmsoftwaredevelopment.co.uk  Mon Jul  4 16:16:47 2016
From: ray at rcmsoftwaredevelopment.co.uk (Ray Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:16:47 +0000
Subject: [_] Freelance Developer Work
Message-ID: <DB5PR07MB1159A65A270F7EFE01739D9082380@DB5PR07MB1159.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I am a freelance developer with over 18 years experience on Microsoft Full Stack, Certified Scrummaster looking for project work over the next few weeks.  I work mainly with software and technology companies of all shapes and sizes.

If you require any consultancy or want software fixed or built then give me a shout.  Best way to contact me would be off list at ray at rcmsoftwaredevelopment.co.uk.

Best wishes

Ray

From aaron.trevena at gmail.com  Mon Jul  4 16:40:29 2016
From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:40:29 +0100
Subject: [_] Outbound Payments
In-Reply-To: <CAJwc0ZPBN7Zz3=QDkurVBB=8923SPubLb-E8MfJF=YvGULWGnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJwc0ZPBN7Zz3=QDkurVBB=8923SPubLb-E8MfJF=YvGULWGnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJWQ4V07pp5xFRV-Cxu2fFYhcTtWn_4dNzXkvvJUhh4pofguWg@mail.gmail.com>

May be a) massive overkill or b) not quite what you had in mind but
https://developer.currencycloud.com/documentation/api-docs/overview/
is pretty impressive - transferwise and similar run on top of it.

A

From damian.webber at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 09:45:35 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:45:35 +0100
Subject: [_] Gramophone repair
In-Reply-To: <CAMgU7XVXUfiqFwZWBCe_6W1t3o4cD1=sP82Af_tHyfDHfi3vTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>
 <CAMgU7XVXUfiqFwZWBCe_6W1t3o4cD1=sP82Af_tHyfDHfi3vTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANzT8VHUjM9nDYvNMFif8UVPT6Ffxy4xFzNrc0dci5Byh_jrAw@mail.gmail.com>

I was going to say WHY are you asking such a specialist question on
underscore when Google (or similar, Alta Vista or something) would likely
throw up some local enthusiasts and then two decent responses. Big up the
_underscore knowledge :-)

*Damian Webber*
Solutions Architect - Web, CMS, ECM, UX
@damianwebber <http://twitter.com/damianwebber> | 07590 807 252

On 4 July 2016 at 07:49, Amias Channer <me at amias.net> wrote:

> Hello Matt,
>
> Try my friend the wind up merchant, he is sure to know.
> http://www.thewindupmerchant.co.uk
>
> Cheers
> Amias
> On 3 Jul 2016 2:54 p.m., "Quernus" <matt at quernus.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know anywhere local that could repair an old wind-up gramophone? I
> > think the main spring might have gone on it.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > ?
> > Matt Hamilton
> > Quernus
> > matt at quernus.co.uk
> > +44 117 325 3025
> > 64 Easton Business Centre
> > Felix Road, Easton
> > Bristol, BS5 0HE
> >
> > Quernus Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales. Registered
> > number: 09076246
> >
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From matt at quernus.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 09:51:38 2016
From: matt at quernus.co.uk (Matt Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:51:38 +0100
Subject: [_] Gramophone repair
In-Reply-To: <CANzT8VHUjM9nDYvNMFif8UVPT6Ffxy4xFzNrc0dci5Byh_jrAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AA54EB53-2E75-4E50-9462-CFF6D5857A48@quernus.co.uk>
 <CAMgU7XVXUfiqFwZWBCe_6W1t3o4cD1=sP82Af_tHyfDHfi3vTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANzT8VHUjM9nDYvNMFif8UVPT6Ffxy4xFzNrc0dci5Byh_jrAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3902F026-F9E2-4573-963E-DE15D1EAB551@quernus.co.uk>


> On 5 Jul 2016, at 09:45, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was going to say WHY are you asking such a specialist question on
> underscore when Google (or similar, Alta Vista or something) would likely
> throw up some local enthusiasts and then two decent responses. Big up the
> _underscore knowledge :-)

Indeed! I thought it is an esoteric enough thing that someone might know someone. Searching on the web didn't bring up anything particularly inspiring, mostly people who repair DJ decks. Cheers Amias and Benjamin for your pointers!

-Matt


? 
Matt Hamilton
Quernus
matt at quernus.co.uk
+44 117 325 3025
64 Easton Business Centre
Felix Road, Easton
Bristol, BS5 0HE

Quernus Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 09076246


From hello at kieranjparker.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 10:44:02 2016
From: hello at kieranjparker.co.uk (Kieran Parker)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:44:02 +0100
Subject: [_] (Freelance) Graphic Designer looking for more clients/contacts
Message-ID: <663bbbad-404c-457d-9014-be67aec98343@kieranjparker.co.uk>

Hi All,

My name is Kieran, a freelance Graphic Designer based in North Somerset and I am currently looking to take on more freelance work and potentially develop some more business relationships and contacts.

I am experienced with all required software such as Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop, In design, Sketch 3 etc. I do both print and digital design, these include brand design, editorial design, app and websites, posters/flyers, as well as a majority of other things related to design.

Digital design is definitely one of the strongest areas of my skill set. I have a sensible/logical head for understanding user journeys and designing with that in mind, but I need to stress that I'm not a coder/developer. Although I have worked along side developers before so have an understanding of their required file structures and layouts.

I have worked on a freelance basis ?on-site? at a few agencies around Bristol such as Epoch Design, designing/tweaking their final pages for a large American dental companies website and also at Dirty Design as a Graphic Designer creating infographics for Bristols NHS Hospitals, which will be printed and displayed in the appropriate hospitals but can be seen on their site here - http://www.uhbristol.nhs.uk/about-us/key-publications/infographics/ [http://www.uhbristol.nhs.uk/about-us/key-publications/infographics/]

Although, the majority of my work is designing remotely. This can be people within the UK as well as having worked for clients around the world. So if you are based around Bristol, I am happy to work onsite (swell as offsite) or offsite if you are a little far for a daily commute.

So if you are in need of a designer now or in the future, or know anyone who may need my services, drop me an email! - hello at kieranjparker.co.uk [hello at kieranjparker.co.uk]

You can see my portfolio here at kieranjparker.co.uk and feel free to email me via if you have any questions.
Thanks all!

From frstep at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 13:48:52 2016
From: frstep at gmail.com (Fraser Stephens)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 13:48:52 +0100
Subject: [_] 8mm cine transfer
Message-ID: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>

Following the infallible undescore's quick response to Matt's gramophone
question (is it only me who can't say "gram-o-phone" without
imitating Rowan Atkinson?), does anyone have experience of 8mm to digital
video conversion? I have a 200ft reel of my parent's wedding  that I'd like
to convert for their 50th. I made a copy onto video a decade or so ago by
pointing a Hi-8 camera at a screen, but since lost the tape...

Recommendations of companies would be great.

F.

-- 
Fraser Stephens

From peter at sparkdata.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 14:16:51 2016
From: peter at sparkdata.co.uk (Peter Marshall)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 13:16:51 +0000
Subject: [_] 8mm cine transfer
In-Reply-To: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <678334db1e6c48bf86ddf550f72e2fcd@sparkdata.co.uk>

> Recommendations of companies would be great.

Would have said this lot, but got a feeling that the shop had a notice in saying it was due to close...   Phone number might still work.

https://goo.gl/maps/RRbjUQz9M5p


Peter Marshall

0117 915 9673


Quay Side, 40-58 Hotwell Road,
Bristol, BS8 4UQ
T: 0117 907 9921
W: www.sparkdata.co.uk





From gothick at gothick.org.uk  Tue Jul  5 14:37:51 2016
From: gothick at gothick.org.uk (Matt Gibson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 14:37:51 +0100
Subject: [_] 8mm cine transfer
In-Reply-To: <678334db1e6c48bf86ddf550f72e2fcd@sparkdata.co.uk>
References: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>
 <678334db1e6c48bf86ddf550f72e2fcd@sparkdata.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47B1CE8C-7DE7-499B-ADA2-F2BCA9F81365@gothick.org.uk>


> On 5 Jul 2016, at 14:16, Peter Marshall <peter at sparkdata.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Recommendations of companies would be great.
> 
> Would have said this lot, but got a feeling that the shop had a notice in saying it was due to close...   Phone number might still work.
> 
> https://goo.gl/maps/RRbjUQz9M5p

Andrew (who most casual visitors have been thinking of as ?Bernard? for many years!) did indeed shut up shop at the beginning of the month. It?s now being converted into extra space for next door's Lloyds Pharmacy. I don?t think it?s too likely that he?ll be doing any more cine transfer work.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/matt_gibson/27406019656/in/dateposted-public/

Cheers,

Matt


From james at nuvola.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 16:58:10 2016
From: james at nuvola.co.uk (James Geldart)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:58:10 +0100
Subject: [_] Freelance UXer?
Message-ID: <577BD912.10607@nuvola.co.uk>

Hi all

Does anyone know a good freelance UX consultant?

I have a need on a project with a consulting client for someone to look 
at their existing website and come up with some revised wireframes and 
navigation. The work is due to start in a couple of weeks time although 
there may be some flexibility. There may also be some work on a related 
project in the autumn. Client is in London but I imagine a lot of the 
work can be done remotely.

Thanks
James


From pinschen at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 17:31:38 2016
From: pinschen at gmail.com (Indu Kaila)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:31:38 +0100
Subject: [_] Freelance UXer?
In-Reply-To: <577BD912.10607@nuvola.co.uk>
References: <577BD912.10607@nuvola.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BEE59319-2873-4B77-AD7B-2F5DF910E448@gmail.com>

Hi James,

More than happy to help, what's your offline email to discuss?

Cheers,
Best,
Indu

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Jul 2016, at 16:58, James Geldart <james at nuvola.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Does anyone know a good freelance UX consultant?
> 
> I have a need on a project with a consulting client for someone to look at their existing website and come up with some revised wireframes and navigation. The work is due to start in a couple of weeks time although there may be some flexibility. There may also be some work on a related project in the autumn. Client is in London but I imagine a lot of the work can be done remotely.
> 
> Thanks
> James
> 
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From dantagg at wildmanherring.com  Tue Jul  5 17:36:13 2016
From: dantagg at wildmanherring.com (Dan Tagg)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:36:13 +0100
Subject: [_] Freelance UXer?
In-Reply-To: <577BD912.10607@nuvola.co.uk>
References: <577BD912.10607@nuvola.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPZHCY6c3dn-iZa01R4XR=UhjRD0Sn6RJF9oNAoTimxAyhBEag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've worked with Kieran Holden https://www.behance.net/kieranholden a few
times and he has been really good.

Dan



On 5 July 2016 at 16:58, James Geldart <james at nuvola.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know a good freelance UX consultant?
>
> I have a need on a project with a consulting client for someone to look at
> their existing website and come up with some revised wireframes and
> navigation. The work is due to start in a couple of weeks time although
> there may be some flexibility. There may also be some work on a related
> project in the autumn. Client is in London but I imagine a lot of the work
> can be done remotely.
>
> Thanks
> James
>
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>



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From steve.kirtley at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 18:36:15 2016
From: steve.kirtley at gmail.com (Steve Kirtley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:36:15 +0100
Subject: [_] 8mm cine transfer
In-Reply-To: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHF22Sxm1ZDkJp01tXKL+1pO2cn7gahjVHubjAZr6OUW15Afzw@mail.gmail.com>

I've heard good feedback from one of the in-laws about this couple who do
such services from home in Winterbourne.

http://www.memoriesonvideo.co.uk/index.asp

May be worth a chat with them.

Steve

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:

> Following the infallible undescore's quick response to Matt's gramophone
> question (is it only me who can't say "gram-o-phone" without
> imitating Rowan Atkinson?), does anyone have experience of 8mm to digital
> video conversion? I have a 200ft reel of my parent's wedding  that I'd like
> to convert for their 50th. I made a copy onto video a decade or so ago by
> pointing a Hi-8 camera at a screen, but since lost the tape...
>
> Recommendations of companies would be great.
>
> F.
>
> --
> Fraser Stephens
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From jon.free at wastesource.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 23:16:24 2016
From: jon.free at wastesource.co.uk (Jon Free)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 23:16:24 +0100
Subject: [_] Outbound Payments
In-Reply-To: <CAJWQ4V07pp5xFRV-Cxu2fFYhcTtWn_4dNzXkvvJUhh4pofguWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJwc0ZPBN7Zz3=QDkurVBB=8923SPubLb-E8MfJF=YvGULWGnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJWQ4V07pp5xFRV-Cxu2fFYhcTtWn_4dNzXkvvJUhh4pofguWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJwc0ZMV3fsy6vD7EaB2Xx_w5aC9_w7JY6RXsSHk0Fq10wHjcg@mail.gmail.com>

I'll give it a look. No one else has needed to do this before?

On 4 July 2016 at 16:40, Aaron Trevena <aaron.trevena at gmail.com> wrote:

> May be a) massive overkill or b) not quite what you had in mind but
> https://developer.currencycloud.com/documentation/api-docs/overview/
> is pretty impressive - transferwise and similar run on top of it.
>
> A
> --
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>



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From aaron.trevena at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 06:24:39 2016
From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 06:24:39 +0100
Subject: [_] Outbound Payments
In-Reply-To: <CAJwc0ZMV3fsy6vD7EaB2Xx_w5aC9_w7JY6RXsSHk0Fq10wHjcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJwc0ZPBN7Zz3=QDkurVBB=8923SPubLb-E8MfJF=YvGULWGnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJWQ4V07pp5xFRV-Cxu2fFYhcTtWn_4dNzXkvvJUhh4pofguWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwc0ZMV3fsy6vD7EaB2Xx_w5aC9_w7JY6RXsSHk0Fq10wHjcg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 5 July 2016 at 23:16, Jon Free <jon.free at wastesource.co.uk> wrote:
> I'll give it a look. No one else has needed to do this before?

Dunno.. https://letstalkpayments.com/34-apis-that-startups-should-consider-before-building-any-fintech-product/
is a pretty handy list of payment APIs

A


-- 
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LAMP System Integration, Development and Consulting

From joe.leech at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 14:05:19 2016
From: joe.leech at gmail.com (Joe Leech)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:05:19 +0100
Subject: [_] Freelance UXer?
In-Reply-To: <577BD912.10607@nuvola.co.uk>
References: <577BD912.10607@nuvola.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+8arc1BG49_4QeXK+Z7b5L_pRmCj-zW86YC3Afpptft2a+tHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi James,

I'm not available now but keep me in mind for any future projects
where you need some UX help.

https://mrjoe.uk/

joe (mr)

On 5 July 2016 at 16:58, James Geldart <james at nuvola.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know a good freelance UX consultant?
>
> I have a need on a project with a consulting client for someone to look at
> their existing website and come up with some revised wireframes and
> navigation. The work is due to start in a couple of weeks time although
> there may be some flexibility. There may also be some work on a related
> project in the autumn. Client is in London but I imagine a lot of the work
> can be done remotely.
>
> Thanks
> James
>
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From damian.webber at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 16:20:18 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 16:20:18 +0100
Subject: [_] 8mm cine transfer
In-Reply-To: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <577d21b3.05261c0a.48272.ffffaad6@mx.google.com>

The Chemist on Princess Victoria Street in Clifton offers a Cine to DVD/BluRay service

D

-----Original Message-----
From: "Fraser Stephens" <frstep at gmail.com>
Sent: ?05/?07/?2016 13:51
To: "Underscore" <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
Subject: [_] 8mm cine transfer

Following the infallible undescore's quick response to Matt's gramophone
question (is it only me who can't say "gram-o-phone" without
imitating Rowan Atkinson?), does anyone have experience of 8mm to digital
video conversion? I have a 200ft reel of my parent's wedding  that I'd like
to convert for their 50th. I made a copy onto video a decade or so ago by
pointing a Hi-8 camera at a screen, but since lost the tape...

Recommendations of companies would be great.

F.

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From frstep at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 09:40:37 2016
From: frstep at gmail.com (Fraser Stephens)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:40:37 +0100
Subject: [_] 8mm cine transfer
In-Reply-To: <577d21b3.05261c0a.48272.ffffaad6@mx.google.com>
References: <CAF_xY7r5oeMLvvRf92JxbZhZRh8XywAgdU0ykhStr5D7U=N-tw@mail.gmail.com>
 <577d21b3.05261c0a.48272.ffffaad6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAF_xY7qjQ+FwvKEphL+85sDB3r2t5mdk9QuecyQxDhnJb-CZHA@mail.gmail.com>

Ta for the replies!

On 6 July 2016 at 16:20, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Chemist on Princess Victoria Street in Clifton offers a Cine to
> DVD/BluRay service
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Fraser Stephens" <frstep at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?05/?07/?2016 13:51
> To: "Underscore" <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
> Subject: [_] 8mm cine transfer
>
> Following the infallible undescore's quick response to Matt's gramophone
> question (is it only me who can't say "gram-o-phone" without
> imitating Rowan Atkinson?), does anyone have experience of 8mm to digital
> video conversion? I have a 200ft reel of my parent's wedding  that I'd like
> to convert for their 50th. I made a copy onto video a decade or so ago by
> pointing a Hi-8 camera at a screen, but since lost the tape...
>
> Recommendations of companies would be great.
>
> F.
>
> --
> Fraser Stephens
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> --
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From rick.edwards at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 14:10:43 2016
From: rick.edwards at gmail.com (Rick Edwards)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:10:43 +0100
Subject: [_] Full time UX Designer needed
Message-ID: <CAHx1AVYgVi2zbepaWGePDyw+4TjsnAhqJf-ba4b5am94+Y+39A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

we're currently looking for a full time UX designer and I know there's a
few on the list so if you're interested in working for arguably the worlds
leading engineering consultancy in renewables have a look at this:

https://careers-dnvgl.icims.com/jobs/7560/ux-designer/job

If you're interested and know me personally then let me know and I can move
things through our referral process rather than a direct application.

Oh and ignore the deadline on the link, it's been extended.

Also no agencies please, I'm not responsible for recruiting for this
position so you'll just be wasting your time :-)

Regards

rick (not Rick)

From rick.edwards at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 15:25:39 2016
From: rick.edwards at gmail.com (Rick Edwards)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:25:39 +0100
Subject: [_] full time UX designer
Message-ID: <CAHx1AVa7SRda63+84G3rjT8TwRBkPe0xzs+6xkttFF1cq2LoRQ@mail.gmail.com>

following on from my other email it looks like I can put anyone through the
referral process so if you're interested then let me know off list.

Cheers

rick (not Rick)

From james.tarling.lists at googlemail.com  Fri Jul  8 11:54:05 2016
From: james.tarling.lists at googlemail.com (James Tarling)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:54:05 +0100
Subject: [_] Javascript MVC
Message-ID: <CAB=p5tWbsc3KKtOi-ejyOFXRBidToiRta0FYP9vDui9MrvqzVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello _,

I've been working on a JS project on and off for a year or so. It has
become more and more complex over time and, having come back to it
recently, I am finding it difficult to find stuff.

I think it's time to refactor it to use a standard MVC library rather
one that's a bit MVC that I'm making up as I go along. I might make
the jump to Typescript as well, since I've found this helps out in the
long run.

For other recent work, I've recently been using Typescript and
PureMVC. This has been working really well - it's obvious where to put
and find things. And importantly, PureMVC doesn't care if the views
are DOM based, which is key for my particular use.

I'd use PureMVC for this other project but, to be honest, I'd like to
use something that is going to look better on my CV than a port of an
old Flash library.

The impression I get is that Angular wants a DOM based view. I've had
a play with Backbone and Typescript in the past, but found they don't
seem like a good fit (not at least adding a lot of cruft). I may be
wrong on both of these.

Does anyone have any tips for a nice MVC framework that works with
Typescript and that is view agnostic?

Thanks,
James

From michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 13:24:33 2016
From: michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com (Michael McKelvaney)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 08:24:33 -0400
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
Message-ID: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Good day [_]

I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer, now,
a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible with the
x86 architecture.
I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any other
good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.

It?s worth noting that I know there are plenty of Kickstarter projects out
there that would be perfect, I need something that I am able to actually
buy.

Cheersthen,
Michael

---
Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney

http://mckelvaney.co.uk
+447766112421
@mckelvaney

From adam.retter at googlemail.com  Fri Jul  8 13:46:58 2016
From: adam.retter at googlemail.com (Adam Retter)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 13:46:58 +0100
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK0ici4gskvgef4ou9kqyFYUPbY42UTVQ9mttcAuAf-fp1p5A@mail.gmail.com>

Have you looked at Soekris http://soekris.com/ ? I have used a
net-4801 as a gateway router in the past and was very happy with it.


On 8 July 2016 at 13:24, Michael McKelvaney <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good day [_]
>
> I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer, now,
> a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible with the
> x86 architecture.
> I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any other
> good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.
>
> It?s worth noting that I know there are plenty of Kickstarter projects out
> there that would be perfect, I need something that I am able to actually
> buy.
>
> Cheersthen,
> Michael
>
> ---
> Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney
>
> http://mckelvaney.co.uk
> +447766112421
> @mckelvaney
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive -> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore



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From matt at quernus.co.uk  Fri Jul  8 13:58:24 2016
From: matt at quernus.co.uk (Matt Hamilton)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 13:58:24 +0100
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <CAPK0ici4gskvgef4ou9kqyFYUPbY42UTVQ9mttcAuAf-fp1p5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPK0ici4gskvgef4ou9kqyFYUPbY42UTVQ9mttcAuAf-fp1p5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F76FFE8F-4462-4BF6-AE01-8C1D476B7B30@quernus.co.uk>

How powerful does it need to be? I think I might still have an old soekris board in my garage. I originally used it as a 3G/wifi mobile bridge in my van before you could do something similar with pretty much any phone nowadays. I can?t remember the exact specs, but it is something like a 300Mhz 586 processor.

You can have it for a pint of beer.

-Matt

> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:46, Adam Retter <adam.retter at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you looked at Soekris http://soekris.com/ ? I have used a
> net-4801 as a gateway router in the past and was very happy with it.
> 
> 
> On 8 July 2016 at 13:24, Michael McKelvaney <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good day [_]
>> 
>> I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer, now,
>> a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible with the
>> x86 architecture.
>> I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any other
>> good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.
>> 
>> It?s worth noting that I know there are plenty of Kickstarter projects out
>> there that would be perfect, I need something that I am able to actually
>> buy.
>> 
>> Cheersthen,
>> Michael
>> 
>> ---
>> Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney
>> 
>> http://mckelvaney.co.uk
>> +447766112421
>> @mckelvaney
>> --
>> underscore_ list info/archive -> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> skype: adam.retter
> tweet: adamretter
> http://www.adamretter.org.uk
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? 
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matt at quernus.co.uk
+44 117 325 3025
49b Easton Business Centre
Felix Road, Easton
Bristol, BS5 0HE

Quernus Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 09076246


From stu at spacehopper.org  Fri Jul  8 14:14:37 2016
From: stu at spacehopper.org (Stuart Henderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:14:37 +0100
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160708131437.GI97494@symphytum.spacehopper.org>

On 2016/07/08 08:24, Michael McKelvaney wrote:
> Good day [_]
> 
> I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer, now,
> a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible with the
> x86 architecture.
> I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any other
> good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.

If you're looking for something current/new and don't need video output
(they have serial console), look at the PCEngines boards, especially APU2.

http://www.pcengines.ch/apu2b2.htm
http://www.pcengines.ch/pdf/apu2.pdf
http://www.pcengines.ch/schema/apu2c.pdf

From fiznool at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 20:20:45 2016
From: fiznool at gmail.com (Tom Spencer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:20:45 +0100
Subject: [_] Javascript MVC
In-Reply-To: <CAB=p5tWbsc3KKtOi-ejyOFXRBidToiRta0FYP9vDui9MrvqzVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB=p5tWbsc3KKtOi-ejyOFXRBidToiRta0FYP9vDui9MrvqzVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAER4s9YsjQ=L0w_NGECWm8sdeemnsEbcQrEM_0XtiffKa7mTuw@mail.gmail.com>

Angular 2 is shaping up to be view agnostic, prefers that you write in
typescript and is already gaining momentum. If you are looking for
something that will enhance your CV and open up doors career wise, I
wouldn't look any further.

On the view agnostic front, as an example, the guys at Nativescript created
a custom renderer for Angular 2, which means you can write an Angular 2 app
which outputs native UI components on iOS and Android.
https://github.com/NativeScript/nativescript-angular
On 8 Jul 2016 11:56, "James Tarling" <james.tarling.lists at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Hello _,
>
> I've been working on a JS project on and off for a year or so. It has
> become more and more complex over time and, having come back to it
> recently, I am finding it difficult to find stuff.
>
> I think it's time to refactor it to use a standard MVC library rather
> one that's a bit MVC that I'm making up as I go along. I might make
> the jump to Typescript as well, since I've found this helps out in the
> long run.
>
> For other recent work, I've recently been using Typescript and
> PureMVC. This has been working really well - it's obvious where to put
> and find things. And importantly, PureMVC doesn't care if the views
> are DOM based, which is key for my particular use.
>
> I'd use PureMVC for this other project but, to be honest, I'd like to
> use something that is going to look better on my CV than a port of an
> old Flash library.
>
> The impression I get is that Angular wants a DOM based view. I've had
> a play with Backbone and Typescript in the past, but found they don't
> seem like a good fit (not at least adding a lot of cruft). I may be
> wrong on both of these.
>
> Does anyone have any tips for a nice MVC framework that works with
> Typescript and that is view agnostic?
>
> Thanks,
> James
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From sunya.dickman at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 21:47:03 2016
From: sunya.dickman at gmail.com (s'unya)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 21:47:03 +0100
Subject: [_] Javascript MVC
In-Reply-To: <CAER4s9YsjQ=L0w_NGECWm8sdeemnsEbcQrEM_0XtiffKa7mTuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB=p5tWbsc3KKtOi-ejyOFXRBidToiRta0FYP9vDui9MrvqzVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAER4s9YsjQ=L0w_NGECWm8sdeemnsEbcQrEM_0XtiffKa7mTuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHOQjtgSkfbQRO8ohDBz9_zFXNRvoUfMuPTK__vme0vJRt_zLw@mail.gmail.com>

You could also look at ampersandJs; it is made up of small, self contained
functionalities that will allow you to use anything as your view layer,
while using the other bits that make life easier.
On 8 Jul 2016 20:22, "Tom Spencer" <fiznool at gmail.com> wrote:

> Angular 2 is shaping up to be view agnostic, prefers that you write in
> typescript and is already gaining momentum. If you are looking for
> something that will enhance your CV and open up doors career wise, I
> wouldn't look any further.
>
> On the view agnostic front, as an example, the guys at Nativescript created
> a custom renderer for Angular 2, which means you can write an Angular 2 app
> which outputs native UI components on iOS and Android.
> https://github.com/NativeScript/nativescript-angular
> On 8 Jul 2016 11:56, "James Tarling" <james.tarling.lists at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello _,
> >
> > I've been working on a JS project on and off for a year or so. It has
> > become more and more complex over time and, having come back to it
> > recently, I am finding it difficult to find stuff.
> >
> > I think it's time to refactor it to use a standard MVC library rather
> > one that's a bit MVC that I'm making up as I go along. I might make
> > the jump to Typescript as well, since I've found this helps out in the
> > long run.
> >
> > For other recent work, I've recently been using Typescript and
> > PureMVC. This has been working really well - it's obvious where to put
> > and find things. And importantly, PureMVC doesn't care if the views
> > are DOM based, which is key for my particular use.
> >
> > I'd use PureMVC for this other project but, to be honest, I'd like to
> > use something that is going to look better on my CV than a port of an
> > old Flash library.
> >
> > The impression I get is that Angular wants a DOM based view. I've had
> > a play with Backbone and Typescript in the past, but found they don't
> > seem like a good fit (not at least adding a lot of cruft). I may be
> > wrong on both of these.
> >
> > Does anyone have any tips for a nice MVC framework that works with
> > Typescript and that is view agnostic?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > James
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From damian.webber at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 23:01:59 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 23:01:59 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
Message-ID: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>

Hello

A friend, lives in a three storey house with thic walls. He has a powerline adapter but its not helping. I'm assuming his old wiring is not up to scratch.

Would a high quality router improve matters? What are the best options for a tall house with poor wiring and a 'standard' broadband supplier's router.

Maybe a replacement router?

Thanks
D

From corkerton at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 23:44:46 2016
From: corkerton at gmail.com (Tim Corkerton)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 23:44:46 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
In-Reply-To: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
References: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAD9m2NPhik5SWnM5UvHNB=8twKPzG7n1kSZJDe9PrP+FFkB7Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Damian

I use 2 develo adapters around the house and they work fine. They all need
to be on the same circuit though. Some houses have split circuits. Maybe he
should get his wiring checked out, i had similar problems in a rented house
a few years ago and we were forcibly moved when the electrics were found to
be dangerously faulty.

Tim.

On 8 July 2016 at 23:01, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello
>
> A friend, lives in a three storey house with thic walls. He has a
> powerline adapter but its not helping. I'm assuming his old wiring is not
> up to scratch.
>
> Would a high quality router improve matters? What are the best options for
> a tall house with poor wiring and a 'standard' broadband supplier's router.
>
> Maybe a replacement router?
>
> Thanks
> D
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From stu at spacehopper.org  Sat Jul  9 00:06:15 2016
From: stu at spacehopper.org (Stuart Henderson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 00:06:15 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
In-Reply-To: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
References: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20160708230615.GA5125@symphytum.spacehopper.org>

On 2016/07/08 23:01, Damian Webber wrote:
> What are the best options for a tall house with poor wiring and a 'standard' broadband supplier's router.

cat5e :-)  The flat cable you can getvcan be made to be fairly unobtrusive..

If if needs to connect to wifi, maybe an extra AP. Though, is the router already
in a central location? If not, moving that might be enough.


From home at derekalmond.com  Sat Jul  9 23:47:23 2016
From: home at derekalmond.com (Derek Almond)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 23:47:23 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
In-Reply-To: <20160708230615.GA5125@symphytum.spacehopper.org>
References: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
 <20160708230615.GA5125@symphytum.spacehopper.org>
Message-ID: <CALn9VRuUgpjKVsGg8z7Yz+d2ivTZzwmyv8TLJqpkCUtB49iuew@mail.gmail.com>

I've chained a bunch of these around the house

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wifi-Repeater-300Mbps-Wireless-Router-802-11n-b-g-AP-WPS-Bridge-Extender-Booster-/222086386342?hash=item33b56152a6

I chose this model as it has two Lan ports, so in some rooms I can run a
cable to the next room and stick another one on the end or plug them into
the TV,  Probably you wont want to stream HD over them, but for ensuring
all the kids have wifi  and their TV's can access the media server, they do
the job nicely

(ie if they are positioned with one half way between the router and your
black spot and you put another one in the black spot you get decent
coverage as they overlap - we've got crap broadband out here, so the
bottleneck is always the ADSL)

D

On 9 July 2016 at 00:06, Stuart Henderson <stu at spacehopper.org> wrote:

> On 2016/07/08 23:01, Damian Webber wrote:
> > What are the best options for a tall house with poor wiring and a
> 'standard' broadband supplier's router.
>
> cat5e :-)  The flat cable you can getvcan be made to be fairly
> unobtrusive..
>
> If if needs to connect to wifi, maybe an extra AP. Though, is the router
> already
> in a central location? If not, moving that might be enough.
>
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From damian.webber at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 13:20:01 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:20:01 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
In-Reply-To: <CALn9VRuUgpjKVsGg8z7Yz+d2ivTZzwmyv8TLJqpkCUtB49iuew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
 <20160708230615.GA5125@symphytum.spacehopper.org>
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That was my initial thought. Because of the location of the phone points in the house it's not possible to have a centrally placed router.

Can you buy routers that's are much more powerful and so extenders wouldn't be necessary?

D

-----Original Message-----
From: "Derek Almond" <home at derekalmond.com>
Sent: ?09/?07/?2016 23:51
To: "underscore at under-score.org.uk" <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [_] WiFi wors

I've chained a bunch of these around the house

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wifi-Repeater-300Mbps-Wireless-Router-802-11n-b-g-AP-WPS-Bridge-Extender-Booster-/222086386342?hash=item33b56152a6

I chose this model as it has two Lan ports, so in some rooms I can run a
cable to the next room and stick another one on the end or plug them into
the TV,  Probably you wont want to stream HD over them, but for ensuring
all the kids have wifi  and their TV's can access the media server, they do
the job nicely

(ie if they are positioned with one half way between the router and your
black spot and you put another one in the black spot you get decent
coverage as they overlap - we've got crap broadband out here, so the
bottleneck is always the ADSL)

D

On 9 July 2016 at 00:06, Stuart Henderson <stu at spacehopper.org> wrote:

> On 2016/07/08 23:01, Damian Webber wrote:
> > What are the best options for a tall house with poor wiring and a
> 'standard' broadband supplier's router.
>
> cat5e :-)  The flat cable you can getvcan be made to be fairly
> unobtrusive..
>
> If if needs to connect to wifi, maybe an extra AP. Though, is the router
> already
> in a central location? If not, moving that might be enough.
>
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>
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From fiznool at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 22:23:42 2016
From: fiznool at gmail.com (Tom Spencer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:23:42 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
In-Reply-To: <57823d72.cf981c0a.2afd4.4469@mx.google.com>
References: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
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> Can you buy routers that's are much more powerful and so extenders
wouldn't be necessary?

Yes, you can. There's quite a big price range, but for larger houses its
worth spending a bit more to get better range. as a general rule, the more
antennas there are on the router, the better the range, but this is a very
broad rule of thumb. I'd also recommend getting a router which supports the
open source DD-WRT firmware, which allows you to tweak a crapload of
settings, including transmission power.

A quick Google brings up an interesting list of recommendations:
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-wifi-routers,review-2498.html - it really
depends how much your friend is willing to spend to get it sorted!

I spent ages trying various different setups and finally settled with an
oldish netgear WiFi router (running DD-WRT) connected to the Virgin port at
the front of the house, and a Ubiquiti AP connected via Cat5e. The latter
has Power over Ethernet and so data and power come in through the same
cat5e, meaning I could install centrally in the house. I use the same SSID
on both APs and so devices can switch depending on where the stronger
signal is. Coverage and throughput is very good, even out in the garden.

At a bare minimum, I would definitely recommend ditching the router you get
for free with your broadband provider. I had nothing but trouble with the
Virgin Super Hub until I switched it into modem mode and swapped in a
DD-WRT router instead.

On 10 July 2016 at 13:20, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:

> That was my initial thought. Because of the location of the phone points
> in the house it's not possible to have a centrally placed router.
>
> Can you buy routers that's are much more powerful and so extenders
> wouldn't be necessary?
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Derek Almond" <home at derekalmond.com>
> Sent: ?09/?07/?2016 23:51
> To: "underscore at under-score.org.uk" <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [_] WiFi wors
>
> I've chained a bunch of these around the house
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wifi-Repeater-300Mbps-Wireless-Router-802-11n-b-g-AP-WPS-Bridge-Extender-Booster-/222086386342?hash=item33b56152a6
>
> I chose this model as it has two Lan ports, so in some rooms I can run a
> cable to the next room and stick another one on the end or plug them into
> the TV,  Probably you wont want to stream HD over them, but for ensuring
> all the kids have wifi  and their TV's can access the media server, they do
> the job nicely
>
> (ie if they are positioned with one half way between the router and your
> black spot and you put another one in the black spot you get decent
> coverage as they overlap - we've got crap broadband out here, so the
> bottleneck is always the ADSL)
>
> D
>
> On 9 July 2016 at 00:06, Stuart Henderson <stu at spacehopper.org> wrote:
>
> > On 2016/07/08 23:01, Damian Webber wrote:
> > > What are the best options for a tall house with poor wiring and a
> > 'standard' broadband supplier's router.
> >
> > cat5e :-)  The flat cable you can getvcan be made to be fairly
> > unobtrusive..
> >
> > If if needs to connect to wifi, maybe an extra AP. Though, is the router
> > already
> > in a central location? If not, moving that might be enough.
> >
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From stu at spacehopper.org  Mon Jul 11 10:11:47 2016
From: stu at spacehopper.org (Stuart Henderson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:11:47 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
In-Reply-To: <57823d72.cf981c0a.2afd4.4469@mx.google.com>
References: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
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On 2016/07/10 13:20, Damian Webber wrote:
> That was my initial thought. Because of the location of the phone
> points in the house it's not possible to have a centrally placed router.

If the router can't be moved but it's possible to run a cable, it's a
better idea to do that and use a separate access point fed by cable,
rather than a repeater/wireless extender (which usually just have
one radio so they need to receive and retransmit, slowing things
down a fair bit).

> Can you buy routers that's are much more powerful and so extenders wouldn't be necessary?

Pretty much any will be able to output the UK legal maximum for 2.4GHz
or for 5GHz indoor use. There are differences in power between different
routers beyond this but you can only use it if you lie to them about
the country you're in and use illegally high power. If you ignore legal
aspects, there's a technical problem with this too; you need two-way
comms and this won't improve power of your client devices. Also in
many cases, if one client can't "hear" another client transmitting,
they stomp on each others transmissions, known as the "hidden node
problem" (this can be avoided by forcing RTS/CTS at the cost of
slowing down all transmissions, but not all devices will allow
fiddling with this).


From me at amias.net  Mon Jul 11 10:23:59 2016
From: me at amias.net (Amias Channer)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:23:59 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
In-Reply-To: <CALn9VRuUgpjKVsGg8z7Yz+d2ivTZzwmyv8TLJqpkCUtB49iuew@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,

I would not recommend using the old sub 500mpbs power lines, they are not
very reliable in my experience. Get the new gigabit class ones , they are
more expensive but use all the pins to create much more interference
resistance using mimo. Also be sure to specifically pair the devices using
the software, if they just find each other on the network they are in
discovery mode and will drop for a while on interference to look for better
options.
There is open software for configuring these devices on github, but I can
remember its name.

Cheers
Amias
On 9 Jul 2016 23:48, "Derek Almond" <home at derekalmond.com> wrote:

> I've chained a bunch of these around the house
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wifi-Repeater-300Mbps-Wireless-Router-802-11n-b-g-AP-WPS-Bridge-Extender-Booster-/222086386342?hash=item33b56152a6
>
> I chose this model as it has two Lan ports, so in some rooms I can run a
> cable to the next room and stick another one on the end or plug them into
> the TV,  Probably you wont want to stream HD over them, but for ensuring
> all the kids have wifi  and their TV's can access the media server, they do
> the job nicely
>
> (ie if they are positioned with one half way between the router and your
> black spot and you put another one in the black spot you get decent
> coverage as they overlap - we've got crap broadband out here, so the
> bottleneck is always the ADSL)
>
> D
>
> On 9 July 2016 at 00:06, Stuart Henderson <stu at spacehopper.org> wrote:
>
> > On 2016/07/08 23:01, Damian Webber wrote:
> > > What are the best options for a tall house with poor wiring and a
> > 'standard' broadband supplier's router.
> >
> > cat5e :-)  The flat cable you can getvcan be made to be fairly
> > unobtrusive..
> >
> > If if needs to connect to wifi, maybe an extra AP. Though, is the router
> > already
> > in a central location? If not, moving that might be enough.
> >
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From home at derekalmond.com  Mon Jul 11 10:29:40 2016
From: home at derekalmond.com (Derek Almond)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:29:40 +0100
Subject: [_] WiFi wors
In-Reply-To: <57823d72.cf981c0a.2afd4.4469@mx.google.com>
References: <578022d8.a2d1c20a.81fd8.7d61@mx.google.com>
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On 10 July 2016 at 13:20, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:

> That was my initial thought. Because of the location of the phone points
> in the house it's not possible to have a centrally placed router.
>

You dont need a central router, they will piggy back of each other...

I have

router by the front door then an air gap to three repeaters in various
rooms - one of which links via cable down to my office at the end of the
garden with another repeater, one of which links via cable to the mother in
laws place, again with another repeater, and one on the landing upstairs
which in turn feeds (over an air gap)  another repeater for oldest boys TV
 and  laptop and then then same for my other boy in his room.

say the range of your router and all repeaters is 20 meters, by having one
every 10 meters you can extend indefinitely (in theory anyway, i guess)  i
have at least 3 in one chain

D



>
> Can you buy routers that's are much more powerful and so extenders
> wouldn't be necessary?
>


yes probably - but i have thick walls and the overall distance from the
router to the office is around 75 meters (and crucially there was no way
the wife was letting me run cat 6 from the phone point halfway up the wall
ceiling) , so i needed a combination of things.
D



>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Derek Almond" <home at derekalmond.com>
> Sent: ?09/?07/?2016 23:51
> To: "underscore at under-score.org.uk" <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [_] WiFi wors
>
> I've chained a bunch of these around the house
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wifi-Repeater-300Mbps-Wireless-Router-802-11n-b-g-AP-WPS-Bridge-Extender-Booster-/222086386342?hash=item33b56152a6
>
> I chose this model as it has two Lan ports, so in some rooms I can run a
> cable to the next room and stick another one on the end or plug them into
> the TV,  Probably you wont want to stream HD over them, but for ensuring
> all the kids have wifi  and their TV's can access the media server, they do
> the job nicely
>
> (ie if they are positioned with one half way between the router and your
> black spot and you put another one in the black spot you get decent
> coverage as they overlap - we've got crap broadband out here, so the
> bottleneck is always the ADSL)
>
> D
>
> On 9 July 2016 at 00:06, Stuart Henderson <stu at spacehopper.org> wrote:
>
> > On 2016/07/08 23:01, Damian Webber wrote:
> > > What are the best options for a tall house with poor wiring and a
> > 'standard' broadband supplier's router.
> >
> > cat5e :-)  The flat cable you can getvcan be made to be fairly
> > unobtrusive..
> >
> > If if needs to connect to wifi, maybe an extra AP. Though, is the router
> > already
> > in a central location? If not, moving that might be enough.
> >
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From james.tarling.lists at googlemail.com  Mon Jul 11 10:59:33 2016
From: james.tarling.lists at googlemail.com (James Tarling)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:59:33 +0100
Subject: [_] Javascript MVC
In-Reply-To: <CAB=p5tWbsc3KKtOi-ejyOFXRBidToiRta0FYP9vDui9MrvqzVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB=p5tWbsc3KKtOi-ejyOFXRBidToiRta0FYP9vDui9MrvqzVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB=p5tXZCCCXCKcC1UVThpD0EJ5i8S1dr-pDqQCzjCMCSJFBeA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you both for these. I'd not even heard of ampersand, and it
sounds like Angular2 is worth a closer look

Regards,
James

> s'unya sunya.dickman at gmail.com
> Fri Jul 8 21:47:03 BST 2016
>
> You could also look at ampersandJs; it is made up of small, self contained
> functionalities that will allow you to use anything as your view layer,
> while using the other bits that make life easier.
>
> On 8 Jul 2016 20:22, "Tom Spencer" <fiznool at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Angular 2 is shaping up to be view agnostic, prefers that you write in
> > typescript and is already gaining momentum. If you are looking for
> > something that will enhance your CV and open up doors career wise, I
> > wouldn't look any further.
> >
> > On the view agnostic front, as an example, the guys at Nativescript created
> > a custom renderer for Angular 2, which means you can write an Angular 2 app
> > which outputs native UI components on iOS and Android.
> > https://github.com/NativeScript/nativescript-angular
> > On 8 Jul 2016 11:56, "James Tarling" <james.tarling.lists at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:

From michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 11:29:03 2016
From: michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com (Michael McKelvaney)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 03:29:03 -0700
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1930.1468010853.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
References: <mailman.1930.1468010853.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAE8EhE2vDtXOZm8yf5B9zNfqc6RF==RCaAAh=K9zm7Kt5C9gww@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the info everyone.
It looks like that will be a bit limp for what I need Matt, thanks for the
offer though.

M

---
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http://mckelvaney.co.uk
+447766112421
@mckelvaney

On 8 July 2016 at 21:48:51, underscore-request at under-score.org.uk (
underscore-request at under-score.org.uk) wrote:


How powerful does it need to be? I think I might still have an old soekris
board in my garage. I originally used it as a 3G/wifi mobile bridge in my
van before you could do something similar with pretty much any phone
nowadays. I can?t remember the exact specs, but it is something like a
300Mhz 586 processor.

You can have it for a pint of beer.

-Matt

> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:46, Adam Retter <adam.retter at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you looked at Soekris http://soekris.com/ ? I have used a
> net-4801 as a gateway router in the past and was very happy with it.
>
>
> On 8 July 2016 at 13:24, Michael McKelvaney <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> Good day [_]
>>
>> I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer,
now,
>> a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible with
the
>> x86 architecture.
>> I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any
other
>> good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.
>>
>> It?s worth noting that I know there are plenty of Kickstarter projects
out
>> there that would be perfect, I need something that I am able to actually
>> buy.
>>
>> Cheersthen,
>> Michael
>>
>> ---
>> Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney
>>
>> http://mckelvaney.co.uk
>> +447766112421
>> @mckelvaney
>> --
>> underscore_ list info/archive ->
http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>
>
>
> --
> Adam Retter
>
> skype: adam.retter
> tweet: adamretter
> http://www.adamretter.org.uk
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From sunya.dickman at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 17:53:10 2016
From: sunya.dickman at gmail.com (s'unya)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:53:10 +0100
Subject: [_] Javascript MVC
In-Reply-To: <CAB=p5tXZCCCXCKcC1UVThpD0EJ5i8S1dr-pDqQCzjCMCSJFBeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB=p5tWbsc3KKtOi-ejyOFXRBidToiRta0FYP9vDui9MrvqzVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB=p5tXZCCCXCKcC1UVThpD0EJ5i8S1dr-pDqQCzjCMCSJFBeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHOQjthXXMt6An8RAvnFEFh5RNeEfzh=2byXR4GH3iBEPd9b_Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you are looking at Angular2 then Vue.js is very well thought of, though
I haven't used it myself.

On 11 July 2016 at 10:59, James Tarling <james.tarling.lists at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you both for these. I'd not even heard of ampersand, and it
> sounds like Angular2 is worth a closer look
>
> Regards,
> James
>
> > s'unya sunya.dickman at gmail.com
> > Fri Jul 8 21:47:03 BST 2016
> >
> > You could also look at ampersandJs; it is made up of small, self
> contained
> > functionalities that will allow you to use anything as your view layer,
> > while using the other bits that make life easier.
> >
> > On 8 Jul 2016 20:22, "Tom Spencer" <fiznool at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Angular 2 is shaping up to be view agnostic, prefers that you write in
> > > typescript and is already gaining momentum. If you are looking for
> > > something that will enhance your CV and open up doors career wise, I
> > > wouldn't look any further.
> > >
> > > On the view agnostic front, as an example, the guys at Nativescript
> created
> > > a custom renderer for Angular 2, which means you can write an Angular
> 2 app
> > > which outputs native UI components on iOS and Android.
> > > https://github.com/NativeScript/nativescript-angular
> > > On 8 Jul 2016 11:56, "James Tarling" <james.tarling.lists at
> googlemail.com>
> > > wrote:
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>



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From kieran at bingham.xyz  Mon Jul 11 18:49:22 2016
From: kieran at bingham.xyz (Kieran Bingham)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:49:22 +0100
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3z_Rr8r+WKdN+Cqd-+Bq9_d=xpvzJdRjTZGzuuq0zg4LVrYg@mail.gmail.com>

There are intel based minnowboards which are sort of RasperryPi
competitors in the Intel space, albeit more expensive than the Pi's

http://wiki.minnowboard.org/MinnowBoard_Turbot
http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/ADI-Engineering/MBT-2210/?qs=kWQV1gtkNnfue4gk0ao8Xg%3d%3d

--
Kieran

On 8 July 2016 at 13:24, Michael McKelvaney <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good day [_]
>
> I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer, now,
> a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible with the
> x86 architecture.
> I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any other
> good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.
>
> It?s worth noting that I know there are plenty of Kickstarter projects out
> there that would be perfect, I need something that I am able to actually
> buy.
>
> Cheersthen,
> Michael
>
> ---
> Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney
>
> http://mckelvaney.co.uk
> +447766112421
> @mckelvaney
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive -> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore

From matt at quernus.co.uk  Mon Jul 11 19:20:28 2016
From: matt at quernus.co.uk (Matt Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:20:28 +0100
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <CAE8EhE2vDtXOZm8yf5B9zNfqc6RF==RCaAAh=K9zm7Kt5C9gww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1930.1468010853.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <1FEBE4E1-D9A7-4E95-94A5-5CDFA44A3B1B@quernus.co.uk>


> On 11 Jul 2016, at 11:29, Michael McKelvaney <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info everyone.
> It looks like that will be a bit limp for what I need Matt, thanks for the
> offer though.



No problem. Out of pure curiosity, why do you need it to be x86? Are you doing some low level assembler stuff or something?

-Matt

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From michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 08:25:53 2016
From: michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com (Michael McKelvaney)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:25:53 +0100
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <CAB3z_Rr8r+WKdN+Cqd-+Bq9_d=xpvzJdRjTZGzuuq0zg4LVrYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3z_Rr8r+WKdN+Cqd-+Bq9_d=xpvzJdRjTZGzuuq0zg4LVrYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <621a05f5-7313-4e60-8579-1acd9cd3e5fd@Spark>

I've seen the Minnowboard and it looks spot on for what I need?I just can't find anywhere to purchase them.
Unless you have any intel? (pun intended)

M

---
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http://mckelvaney.co.uk
@mckelvaney
+447766112421

On 11 Jul 2016, 18:49 +0100, Kieran Bingham<kieran at bingham.xyz>, wrote:
> There are intel based minnowboards which are sort of RasperryPi
> competitors in the Intel space, albeit more expensive than the Pi's
>  
> http://wiki.minnowboard.org/MinnowBoard_Turbot
> http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/ADI-Engineering/MBT-2210/?qs=kWQV1gtkNnfue4gk0ao8Xg%3d%3d
>  
> --
> Kieran
>  
> On 8 July 2016 at 13:24, Michael McKelvaney<michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com>wrote:
> > Good day [_]
> >  
> > I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer, now,
> > a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible with the
> > x86 architecture.
> > I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any other
> > good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.
> >  
> > It?s worth noting that I know there are plenty of Kickstarter projects out
> > there that would be perfect, I need something that I am able to actually
> > buy.
> >  
> > Cheersthen,
> > Michael
> >  
> > ---
> > Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney
> >  
> > http://mckelvaney.co.uk
> > +447766112421(tel:+447766112421)
> > @mckelvaney
> > --
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From michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 08:49:22 2016
From: michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com (Michael McKelvaney)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:49:22 -0700
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <5784A044.9080905@bingham.xyz>
References: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3z_Rr8r+WKdN+Cqd-+Bq9_d=xpvzJdRjTZGzuuq0zg4LVrYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <621a05f5-7313-4e60-8579-1acd9cd3e5fd@Spark> <5784A044.9080905@bingham.xyz>
Message-ID: <CAE8EhE2w97goWv+DrY_pB+UM9b4H6jx_xOJ8z9JDQkBJCp7tzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well that?s embarrassing! I saw that as one link.

Thanks Kieran :)

M


On 12 July 2016 at 08:46:13, Kieran Bingham (kieran at bingham.xyz) wrote:

Oh, I thought the mouser link had a buy button?

http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/ADI-Engineering/MBT-2210/?qs=kWQV1gtkNnfue4gk0ao8Xg%3d%3d

Real Time Availability
Stock:
193 Can Dispatch Immediately
On Order:
576 View Delivery Dates
Factory Lead Time:
2 Weeks


Pricing (GBP)
1:
?110.16


I do have one on my desk, but I was intending to put it to good use at
some point.

If you don't have any luck, I could always liquidate it and replace it
later.
-- 
Kieran

On 12/07/16 08:25, Michael McKelvaney wrote:
> I've seen the Minnowboard and it looks spot on for what I need?I just
> can't find anywhere to purchase them.
> Unless you have any intel? (pun intended)
>
> M
>
> ---
> Michael ?Macca? McKelvaney
>
> http://mckelvaney.co.uk
> @mckelvaney
> +447766112421
>
> On 11 Jul 2016, 18:49 +0100, Kieran Bingham <kieran at bingham.xyz>, wrote:
>> There are intel based minnowboards which are sort of RasperryPi
>> competitors in the Intel space, albeit more expensive than the Pi's
>>
>> http://wiki.minnowboard.org/MinnowBoard_Turbot
>>
http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/ADI-Engineering/MBT-2210/?qs=kWQV1gtkNnfue4gk0ao8Xg%3d%3d
>>
>> --
>> Kieran
>>
>> On 8 July 2016 at 13:24, Michael McKelvaney
>> <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Good day [_]
>>>
>>> I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer,
>>> now,
>>> a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible
>>> with the
>>> x86 architecture.
>>> I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any
other
>>> good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.
>>>
>>> It?s worth noting that I know there are plenty of Kickstarter
>>> projects out
>>> there that would be perfect, I need something that I am able to
actually
>>> buy.
>>>
>>> Cheersthen,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney
>>>
>>> http://mckelvaney.co.uk
>>> +447766112421 <tel:+447766112421>
>>> @mckelvaney
>>> --
>>> underscore_ list info/archive ->
>>> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore

-- 
Regards

Kieran Bingham

From ade.stuart at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 14:07:59 2016
From: ade.stuart at gmail.com (Ade Stuart)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:07:59 +0100
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <CAE8EhE2w97goWv+DrY_pB+UM9b4H6jx_xOJ8z9JDQkBJCp7tzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8EhE2mv5DC7a4uGbWGa1KYYfP3YDrV0dJixEBYdN87P+yi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3z_Rr8r+WKdN+Cqd-+Bq9_d=xpvzJdRjTZGzuuq0zg4LVrYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <621a05f5-7313-4e60-8579-1acd9cd3e5fd@Spark> <5784A044.9080905@bingham.xyz>
 <CAE8EhE2w97goWv+DrY_pB+UM9b4H6jx_xOJ8z9JDQkBJCp7tzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAEDE11E-257B-4E99-B3C7-F533CD7C0508@gmail.com>

just to put it out there,
the Udoo board is a nice piece of kit, quad core x86, 60 odd gpios.

Also heard some good things about  Odroids, but never played.

hth 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Jul 2016, at 08:49, Michael McKelvaney <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well that?s embarrassing! I saw that as one link.
> 
> Thanks Kieran :)
> 
> M
> 
> 
> On 12 July 2016 at 08:46:13, Kieran Bingham (kieran at bingham.xyz) wrote:
> 
> Oh, I thought the mouser link had a buy button?
> 
> http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/ADI-Engineering/MBT-2210/?qs=kWQV1gtkNnfue4gk0ao8Xg%3d%3d
> 
> Real Time Availability
> Stock:
> 193 Can Dispatch Immediately
> On Order:
> 576 View Delivery Dates
> Factory Lead Time:
> 2 Weeks
> 
> 
> Pricing (GBP)
> 1:
> ?110.16
> 
> 
> I do have one on my desk, but I was intending to put it to good use at
> some point.
> 
> If you don't have any luck, I could always liquidate it and replace it
> later.
> -- 
> Kieran
> 
>> On 12/07/16 08:25, Michael McKelvaney wrote:
>> I've seen the Minnowboard and it looks spot on for what I need?I just
>> can't find anywhere to purchase them.
>> Unless you have any intel? (pun intended)
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> ---
>> Michael ?Macca? McKelvaney
>> 
>> http://mckelvaney.co.uk
>> @mckelvaney
>> +447766112421
>> 
>>> On 11 Jul 2016, 18:49 +0100, Kieran Bingham <kieran at bingham.xyz>, wrote:
>>> There are intel based minnowboards which are sort of RasperryPi
>>> competitors in the Intel space, albeit more expensive than the Pi's
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.minnowboard.org/MinnowBoard_Turbot
> http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/ADI-Engineering/MBT-2210/?qs=kWQV1gtkNnfue4gk0ao8Xg%3d%3d
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kieran
>>> 
>>> On 8 July 2016 at 13:24, Michael McKelvaney
>>> <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Good day [_]
>>>> 
>>>> I?m working on a project that calls for a small form factor computer,
>>>> now,
>>>> a Pi would be my go to normally however I need it to be compatible
>>>> with the
>>>> x86 architecture.
>>>> I?m aware of a few out there; FitPC, Gigabyte Brix, MintBox?but any
> other
>>>> good recommendations? Ideally I?d like some GPIO on it too.
>>>> 
>>>> It?s worth noting that I know there are plenty of Kickstarter
>>>> projects out
>>>> there that would be perfect, I need something that I am able to
> actually
>>>> buy.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheersthen,
>>>> Michael
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney
>>>> 
>>>> http://mckelvaney.co.uk
>>>> +447766112421 <tel:+447766112421>
>>>> @mckelvaney
>>>> --
>>>> underscore_ list info/archive ->
>>>> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> Kieran Bingham
> -- 
> underscore_ list info/archive -> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore

From ian.bound at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 14:45:51 2016
From: ian.bound at gmail.com (Ian Bound)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:45:51 +0000
Subject: [_] Woocommerce / Shopify
Message-ID: <CAOKKY8v7XJjUR9Xv=Zr4JHOPWTicdaZrDxbNBoR36sxfo9VUqQ@mail.gmail.com>

We're looking for someone to help build an online store/website in
Wordpress (Woocommerce) or Shopify. There's also a need for monthly/yearly
paid membership management, so it's a little more complicated than a
standard store build. Timelines are pretty tight (as always!), so need
someone who is available to start in the next few weeks.

Can anyone recommend a good freelancer, or possibly a little web shop that
could help?

Ta.

Ian

From michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 14:55:17 2016
From: michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com (Michael McKelvaney)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:55:17 -0400
Subject: [_] Woocommerce / Shopify
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1983.1468331189.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
References: <mailman.1983.1468331189.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAE8EhE2kzufPAB4=6qzr9jmy_NDVn+LVRGap2aLvfUvb-0rXCA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ian

I?ve experience in building Shopify stores with subscription based
services?I?ll drop you an email off list.

M

?
Michael ?Macca" McKelvaney

http://mckelvaney.co.uk
+447766112421 <//+447766112421>
@mckelvaney

On 12 July 2016 at 14:47:49, underscore-request at under-score.org.uk (
underscore-request at under-score.org.uk) wrote


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:45:51 +0000
From: Ian Bound <ian.bound at gmail.com>
To: underscore at under-score.org.uk
Subject: [_] Woocommerce / Shopify
Message-ID:
<CAOKKY8v7XJjUR9Xv=Zr4JHOPWTicdaZrDxbNBoR36sxfo9VUqQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

We're looking for someone to help build an online store/website in
Wordpress (Woocommerce) or Shopify. There's also a need for monthly/yearly
paid membership management, so it's a little more complicated than a
standard store build. Timelines are pretty tight (as always!), so need
someone who is available to start in the next few weeks.

Can anyone recommend a good freelancer, or possibly a little web shop that
could help?

Ta.

Ian

From michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 15:02:36 2016
From: michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com (Michael McKelvaney)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:02:36 -0400
Subject: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1983.1468331189.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
References: <mailman.1983.1468331189.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAE8EhE3CGjDN6T_Ls2G2r58zyDvh9Ghy6WjO5yEFBgyEwuh3zQ@mail.gmail.com>

A better description would have been i386 / x86-64 (x86 compatible), but
everyone knew what I meant, I think :)

I have a beta driver from a printer company that is binary blob compiled
for x86 compatible architecture. I am badgering them to give me an ARMv8
version, but like most large companies?they move at a glacial pace.

M

---
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http://mckelvaney.co.uk
+447766112421 <//+447766112421>
@mckelvaney


On 12 July 2016 at 14:47:49, underscore-request at under-score.org.uk (
underscore-request at under-score.org.uk) wrote:


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:20:28 +0100
From: Matt Hamilton <matt at quernus.co.uk>
To: underscore at under-score.org.uk
Subject: Re: [_] Embedded computer with GPIO - x86
Message-ID: <1FEBE4E1-D9A7-4E95-94A5-5CDFA44A3B1B at quernus.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8


> On 11 Jul 2016, at 11:29, Michael McKelvaney <michaelmckelvaney at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info everyone.
> It looks like that will be a bit limp for what I need Matt, thanks for
the
> offer though.



No problem. Out of pure curiosity, why do you need it to be x86? Are you
doing some low level assembler stuff or something?

-Matt

?
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matt at quernus.co.uk
+44 117 325 3025
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From Will.Cleverly at epochdesign.co.uk  Tue Jul 12 18:32:57 2016
From: Will.Cleverly at epochdesign.co.uk (Will Cleverly)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:32:57 +0100
Subject: [_] Wordpress freelance developer
Message-ID: <D3AAE859.26948%will.cleverly@epochdesign.co.uk>

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend me a local Wordpress freelance developer? Not a massive job, but needed quite urgently. I suspect it's max 1 day, maybe 1/2 day.

Cheers all.

Will

Will Cleverly | Epoch
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From frstep at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 19:42:05 2016
From: frstep at gmail.com (Fraser Stephens)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:42:05 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
Message-ID: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>

For several years I've been satisfied with my two home printers... and then
they both decide to break at the same time. Can't really blame Canon for
the impressively terminal paper jam, but HP's built-in obsolesce is
impressive.

So, what is the hive-minds' current thoughts on home printing options?
Ideally something that ticks the following:

- A4 colour - does not have to be photo-quality although that would be nice
- Ethernet or wifi, although hanging USB off a Airport Express works
- Duplex
- Not stupidly expensive ink/toner
- And most importantly reliable and not going to pop it's clogs after 3-4
years.

Looking at low cost colour lasers, the price to replace the "starter" toner
with a full set, and the cost of drums/belts/fusers and other "consumables"
is painful, but then losing a colour, having to replace a head and then
having an irreplaceable cog break for no reason is painful too...

Anyone come across a model/brand that isn't playing the game that HP and
friends are playing?

F.

-- 
Fraser Stephens

From paddy at wincstudio.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 09:42:52 2016
From: paddy at wincstudio.co.uk (Paddy Winsley)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:42:52 +0100
Subject: [_] jQuery sub menus
Message-ID: <D072AA5C-7FF5-443C-A769-97E9EFF0A627@wincstudio.co.uk>

Hi All,

I have had a request for a clients Wordpress website to keep a submenu open when the child is active. But there are a couple of sub menus, is there a way that this can be closed if another sub menu is open?

If anyone has scope to have a quick look at it, I can pay for your time. 

Thanks and regards
Paddy




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If that really doesn?t work, let me know.

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From oliver at watershed.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 10:08:25 2016
From: oliver at watershed.co.uk (Oliver Humpage)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:08:25 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
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> On 12 Jul 2016, at 19:42, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> - Not stupidly expensive ink/toner

I bought a Dell printer a year or so back, they?re reasonably priced and so popular that third-party toner is plentiful and cheap.

It doesn?t get much usage but zero problems so far.

Oliver.

From mark.chitty at thisliquidspace.com  Wed Jul 13 10:10:12 2016
From: mark.chitty at thisliquidspace.com (Mark Chitty)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:10:12 +0100
Subject: [_] _ unsubscribing
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Hi Colse,

Have you tried this;
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Be aware though, you may spend the rest of the year feeling like you're
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From jon.free at wastesource.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 10:14:31 2016
From: jon.free at wastesource.co.uk (Jon Free)
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More importantly why?

On 13 July 2016 at 10:10, Mark Chitty <mark.chitty at thisliquidspace.com>
wrote:

> Hi Colse,
>
> Have you tried this;
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/options/underscore/ ? (sounds like
> you might have, but I thought I'd ask, just in case).
>
> Be aware though, you may spend the rest of the year feeling like you're
> being followed. ;)
>
> m
>
> --
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From rob at hobbyistsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 10:39:59 2016
From: rob at hobbyistsoftware.com (Rob Jonson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:39:59 +0100
Subject: [_]  Current home printer opinions?
Message-ID: <CACTOy+psJL-aOs=e1-w4Ae-bYBen9H5qvem9AC1gquq7FkbeCg@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
>
> - A4 colour - does not have to be photo-quality although that would be nice
> - Ethernet or wifi, although hanging USB off a Airport Express works
> - Duplex
> - Not stupidly expensive ink/toner
> - And most importantly reliable and not going to pop it's clogs after 3-4
> years.
>

Kodak billed themselves as not playing the 'printer cheap - ink expensive'
game. I bought the office hero. They lied.

In particular, they have the obnoxious rule that you can't print in B&W if
your colour cartridge is low/empty.

My next printer will be B&W only - probably laser.




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From joe.leech at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 10:46:32 2016
From: joe.leech at gmail.com (Joe Leech)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:46:32 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
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I've stuck with Brother printers over the years, they are pretty solid
and ink isn't too expensive. I have a wireless scanner printer and
although it doesn't get a massive usage but does a few hundred a month
and works well. My current one is 5 years old and still doing a great
job.

On 13 July 2016 at 10:08, Oliver Humpage <oliver at watershed.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 12 Jul 2016, at 19:42, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> - Not stupidly expensive ink/toner
>
> I bought a Dell printer a year or so back, they?re reasonably priced and so popular that third-party toner is plentiful and cheap.
>
> It doesn?t get much usage but zero problems so far.
>
> Oliver.
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From nigel.legg at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 10:56:48 2016
From: nigel.legg at gmail.com (Nigel Legg)
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On 13 July 2016 at 10:14, Jon Free <jon.free at wastesource.co.uk> wrote:

> More importantly why?
>
> On 13 July 2016 at 10:10, Mark Chitty <mark.chitty at thisliquidspace.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Colse,
> >
> > Have you tried this;
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/options/underscore/ ? (sounds like
> > you might have, but I thought I'd ask, just in case).
> >
> > Be aware though, you may spend the rest of the year feeling like you're
> > being followed. ;)
> >
> > m
> >
> > --
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From martinm at it-helps.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 11:05:30 2016
From: martinm at it-helps.co.uk (Martin Moore)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:05:30 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
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+1

I have an HP 7510 which is great but also a cheap b/w laser for bigger print jobs.

 

On 13/07/2016, 10:39, "Underscore on behalf of Rob Jonson" <underscore-bounces at under-score.org.uk on behalf of rob at hobbyistsoftware.com> wrote:


My next printer will be B&W only - probably laser.






From me at amias.net  Wed Jul 13 11:06:01 2016
From: me at amias.net (Amias Channer)
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Hello _

In the light of this news article
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> I unsubscribed once.
> It didn't last.
>
> Cheers, Nigel
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>
>
> On 13 July 2016 at 10:14, Jon Free <jon.free at wastesource.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> More importantly why?
>>
>> On 13 July 2016 at 10:10, Mark Chitty <mark.chitty at thisliquidspace.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Colse,
>> >
>> > Have you tried this;
>> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/options/underscore/ ? (sounds like
>> > you might have, but I thought I'd ask, just in case).
>> >
>> > Be aware though, you may spend the rest of the year feeling like you're
>> > being followed. ;)
>> >
>> > m
>> >
>> > --
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>> > thisLiquidSpace Ltd
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>> > -
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>> > email: mark.chitty at thisliquidspace.com
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From damian.webber at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 11:11:29 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:11:29 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
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The chap from Westbury Inks said that Brother printers worked out as best value overall.

I recently asked about that Epsom printer with the big tank. He said that the printer itself was very poor.

I have an HP Deskjet F4580. I don't print much and it uses loads of ink which I swear is more expensive per gram than gold. It's never worked properly as a scanner either (I can use the webscan feature, but its never worked as Twain or WIA or whatever it's called. ). It has, however never broken or jammed and it seems pretty well made.

I'm going for a black and white laser next time. The concept of printing photos at gone never really became a reality - I have printed three since I bought it about 9 years ago....

D

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Leech" <joe.leech at gmail.com>
Sent: ?13/?07/?2016 10:48
To: "underscore" <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [_] Current home printer opinions?

I've stuck with Brother printers over the years, they are pretty solid
and ink isn't too expensive. I have a wireless scanner printer and
although it doesn't get a massive usage but does a few hundred a month
and works well. My current one is 5 years old and still doing a great
job.

On 13 July 2016 at 10:08, Oliver Humpage <oliver at watershed.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 12 Jul 2016, at 19:42, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> - Not stupidly expensive ink/toner
>
> I bought a Dell printer a year or so back, they?re reasonably priced and so popular that third-party toner is plentiful and cheap.
>
> It doesn?t get much usage but zero problems so far.
>
> Oliver.
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From davehodg at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 11:13:05 2016
From: davehodg at gmail.com (Dave Hodgkinson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:13:05 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
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I?ve been using Canons for 10 years with no trouble. Ink from Amazon.


> On 13 Jul 2016, at 11:05, Martin Moore <martinm at it-helps.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> I have an HP 7510 which is great but also a cheap b/w laser for bigger print jobs.
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/07/2016, 10:39, "Underscore on behalf of Rob Jonson" <underscore-bounces at under-score.org.uk on behalf of rob at hobbyistsoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> My next printer will be B&W only - probably laser.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From oliver at agilechilli.com  Wed Jul 13 11:26:53 2016
From: oliver at agilechilli.com (Oliver Kohll)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:26:53 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
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> On 13 Jul 2016, at 10:39, Rob Jonson <rob at hobbyistsoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> In particular, they have the obnoxious rule that you can't print in B&W if
> your colour cartridge is low/empty.

My HP 8600 does that too - couldn't believe it. Furthermore, it runs a mandatory 'print head clean' run every so often to use up a good amount of colour ink even if you never print in colour.

Oliver

From me at amias.net  Wed Jul 13 11:56:45 2016
From: me at amias.net (Amias Channer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:56:45 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
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Hello _,

I have an HP Laserjet Pro M252dw colour laser which is super fast and
just works. so much less faf than inkjets , i wouldn't go back.

it was about 160 quid on ebay and came with the half full cartirdges,

It does wireless and wired perfectly and works with everything - linux
, mac , phones ,tablets.

i haven't needed new cartridges yet and i expect that to be scarily expensive.

quality is good enough for everything but proper art prints and puts
quite a few quality ink jets to shame.

I barely print anything so was fed up with inkjets clogging and
constantly cleaning themselves

Cheers
Amias

On 13 July 2016 at 11:26, Oliver Kohll <oliver at agilechilli.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 10:39, Rob Jonson <rob at hobbyistsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> In particular, they have the obnoxious rule that you can't print in B&W if
>> your colour cartridge is low/empty.
>
> My HP 8600 does that too - couldn't believe it. Furthermore, it runs a mandatory 'print head clean' run every so often to use up a good amount of colour ink even if you never print in colour.
>
> Oliver
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From needle at haystack.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 13:05:51 2016
From: needle at haystack.co.uk (Christian Wach)
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Perhaps you have some personal advice for Colse on how to be unsubscribed ;-)


> On 13 Jul 2016, at 11:06, Amias Channer <me at amias.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello _
> 
> In the light of this news article
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/07/teen_on_trial_encouraging_suicide_via_text/
> i think we should be careful about advising him on how to unsubscribe
> 
> Cheers
> Amias
> 
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>> I unsubscribed once.
>> It didn't last.
>> 
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From gothick at gothick.org.uk  Wed Jul 13 13:10:13 2016
From: gothick at gothick.org.uk (Matt Gibson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:10:13 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CACTOy+psJL-aOs=e1-w4Ae-bYBen9H5qvem9AC1gquq7FkbeCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACTOy+psJL-aOs=e1-w4Ae-bYBen9H5qvem9AC1gquq7FkbeCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A162B9C3-DF44-49E6-9DED-EFB0B7EE00B8@gothick.org.uk>


> On 13 Jul 2016, at 10:39, Rob Jonson <rob at hobbyistsoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> My next printer will be B&W only - probably laser.

If you?re looking at the budget end, so far I can certainly recommend the surprisingly cheap Brother HL-L2430DW, which I bought back in April for under ?100. My purchase was based on The Wirecutter?s review, here:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-cheap-printer/

M


From damian.webber at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 13:19:00 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:19:00 +0100
Subject: [_] Managing head-cam footage
Message-ID: <CANzT8VE-emswOENRwfSLPXjPy9FmcgydVzSRGanw08-N32QEsw@mail.gmail.com>

Let's assume I have lots of people running and cycling around town with
cameras on their heads for a while.

These people get back to central hub and hand in their head cams.

Some of these people saw something of interest (perhaps some hidden object)
-It's starting to sound a bit like that Pokemon game but it isn't.


   - First challenge (easy bit) is to get all that video content off the
   head-cams
   - However, if the person has seen something of interest, someone needs
   to be able to mark the interesting snippet from the original video and
   create a separate clip.
   - Second challenge is to Store that snippet with a reference to the
   original snippet without too much hassle.


Do we know of any software that can do this (ease of use is pretty
important).

The intention is to store the clips on Amazon S3 (available) and the
original (raw) video will get moved to AWS Glacier storage (cheaper for
lots of data)

Any video peeps have any suggestions?

Thanks
D











*Damian Webber*
Solutions Architect - Web, CMS, ECM, UX
@damianwebber <http://twitter.com/damianwebber> | 07590 807 252

From benjaminbyford at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 15:17:04 2016
From: benjaminbyford at gmail.com (Ben Byford)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:17:04 +0100
Subject: [_] technology as empowerment centre
Message-ID: <CAB318KWy+RB=2h=qNYELhX9Bm3616rC=EWGerVsEa7O8j4km+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey!

I've been looking at making a new co-working space in Bristol and have been
runnning this survey: https://bbyford.typeform.com/to/OuYHyW

As alot of the feedbck has been from the tech sector and there is little in
the way of learning yet in Bristol I was wondering if people would be
interested in the idea of a centre for tech professionals, learning and
empowerment. An office space that you can hot desk at, have a desk, come to
talking events, or learn new skills and level-up.

Please let me know what you think?! And if anyone would be interested in it
to work, partner with us, or invest.

Cheers

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From tim at matter2media.com  Wed Jul 13 16:26:03 2016
From: tim at matter2media.com (Tim Kindberg)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:26:03 +0100
Subject: [_] iPhone needing to be (re-)initialised but no sim
Message-ID: <5694dde6-7c3b-760a-3463-a45c6478877c@matter2media.com>

Dear _,

Several years ago I bought a SIM-free iPhone 5 off eBay for development. 
It was working fine up to yesterday but this morning, when I switched it 
on, it decided it needed to 'initialise' itself. It's demanding a sim 
before it will go any further. I put in the one from my own phone but 
apparently it's not the right carrier.

Can anyone recommend a shop I can take it to to get it unlocked?

Thanks in advance,

Tim


-- 
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vorb.me
nthscreen.tv
matter2media.com
Pervasive Media Studio
Bristol
UK
+44 (0)7954 582814

From home at derekalmond.com  Wed Jul 13 16:39:35 2016
From: home at derekalmond.com (Derek Almond)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:39:35 +0100
Subject: [_] iPhone needing to be (re-)initialised but no sim
In-Reply-To: <5694dde6-7c3b-760a-3463-a45c6478877c@matter2media.com>
References: <5694dde6-7c3b-760a-3463-a45c6478877c@matter2media.com>
Message-ID: <CALn9VRsi5aCVXU+_ZxGybc6M5N1VXSz+j+MrT4pSnZ6RgcUTFg@mail.gmail.com>

I did the same for my boy,  i just bought a PAYG sim for what ever network
it was, as that was more convenient that going anywhere else.

it's one of my biggest annoyances - that a device you own outright is
locked to the first carrier that you use a sim for.
D

On 13 July 2016 at 16:26, Tim Kindberg <tim at matter2media.com> wrote:

> Dear _,
>
> Several years ago I bought a SIM-free iPhone 5 off eBay for development.
> It was working fine up to yesterday but this morning, when I switched it
> on, it decided it needed to 'initialise' itself. It's demanding a sim
> before it will go any further. I put in the one from my own phone but
> apparently it's not the right carrier.
>
> Can anyone recommend a shop I can take it to to get it unlocked?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> Tim Kindberg
> vorb.me
> nthscreen.tv
> matter2media.com
> Pervasive Media Studio
> Bristol
> UK
> +44 (0)7954 582814
> --
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> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From frstep at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 19:39:04 2016
From: frstep at gmail.com (Fraser Stephens)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:39:04 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <578613d2.6922c20a.8bef5.08ce@mx.google.com>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CF551E2F-2133-4A5F-800B-2AD3884EDB2F@watershed.co.uk>
 <CA+8arc2ZEjE3VfACdLGm55BYRpXt-SJvMaa=cyTcS3aJGZB9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <578613d2.6922c20a.8bef5.08ce@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAF_xY7oX6N8mRs47JujLn8jdff8wJkAqOT35eojD4iAtaxD37g@mail.gmail.com>

On 13 July 2016 at 11:11, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:

> The chap from Westbury Inks said that Brother printers worked out as best
> value overall.
>

I'm sure it changes - at one time Canon were excellent, but the landscape
changes.


> I recently asked about that Epsom printer with the big tank. He said that
> the printer itself was very poor.
>

Yes, I heard that too.


> I have an HP Deskjet F4580. I don't print much and it uses loads of ink
> which I swear is more expensive per gram than gold. It's never worked
> properly as a scanner either (I can use the webscan feature, but its never
> worked as Twain or WIA or whatever it's called. ). It has, however never
> broken or jammed and it seems pretty well made.
>

Until a few months ago the HP OfficeJet 8500A Plus I have was rock solid
and reliable, and things like a duplex scanner with sheet feeder, scan to
networked drive, 250 sheet bin, duplex and waterproof inks were great - but
a series of ink problems, solved by draining expensive cartridges, and now
a little plastic cog breaks (something many people on the net report) and
the whole shebang is landfill.


> I'm going for a black and white laser next time. The concept of printing
> photos at gone never really became a reality - I have printed three since I
> bought it about 9 years ago....
>

I do think this is probably the reliable and economic solution. Just that
there are times that printing in colour is important. Maybe a B&W laser
*and* a cheap inkjet is the right solution - trouble is, the inkjet will
need to be used to avoid blockages, and if not used enough will fail :-(

F.


>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joe Leech" <joe.leech at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?13/?07/?2016 10:48
> To: "underscore" <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [_] Current home printer opinions?
>
> I've stuck with Brother printers over the years, they are pretty solid
> and ink isn't too expensive. I have a wireless scanner printer and
> although it doesn't get a massive usage but does a few hundred a month
> and works well. My current one is 5 years old and still doing a great
> job.
>
> On 13 July 2016 at 10:08, Oliver Humpage <oliver at watershed.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 12 Jul 2016, at 19:42, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> - Not stupidly expensive ink/toner
> >
> > I bought a Dell printer a year or so back, they?re reasonably priced and
> so popular that third-party toner is plentiful and cheap.
> >
> > It doesn?t get much usage but zero problems so far.
> >
> > Oliver.
> > --
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> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>
>
>
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From rchrd at brrll.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 20:15:55 2016
From: rchrd at brrll.co.uk (Richard Barrell)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:15:55 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CAF_xY7oX6N8mRs47JujLn8jdff8wJkAqOT35eojD4iAtaxD37g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CF551E2F-2133-4A5F-800B-2AD3884EDB2F@watershed.co.uk>
 <CA+8arc2ZEjE3VfACdLGm55BYRpXt-SJvMaa=cyTcS3aJGZB9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <578613d2.6922c20a.8bef5.08ce@mx.google.com>
 <CAF_xY7oX6N8mRs47JujLn8jdff8wJkAqOT35eojD4iAtaxD37g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbd84d12-b404-ddf9-cf10-45d84dea2c1d@brrll.co.uk>

On 13/07/16 19:39, Fraser Stephens wrote:
> I do think this is probably the reliable and economic solution. Just that
> there are times that printing in colour is important. Maybe a B&W laser
> *and* a cheap inkjet is the right solution - trouble is, the inkjet will
> need to be used to avoid blockages, and if not used enough will fail :-(
> 

I'm trying to get away with keeping only a B&W laser for documents, plus
knowing the location of the nearest print shop if I ever need something
in glossy colour. Yes, it'll be heinously expensive per-page, but in
return I won't have to worry about keeping some ink-guzzling monstrosity
with built-in planned obsolescence in my home.

:)

From damian.webber at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 20:30:06 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:30:06 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CAF_xY7oX6N8mRs47JujLn8jdff8wJkAqOT35eojD4iAtaxD37g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CF551E2F-2133-4A5F-800B-2AD3884EDB2F@watershed.co.uk>
 <CA+8arc2ZEjE3VfACdLGm55BYRpXt-SJvMaa=cyTcS3aJGZB9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <578613d2.6922c20a.8bef5.08ce@mx.google.com>
 <CAF_xY7oX6N8mRs47JujLn8jdff8wJkAqOT35eojD4iAtaxD37g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANzT8VEWx_m24BhFiyqYqgOzOkwygUHx_-1a56-j2EGec+zj_g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to buy a decent colour laserjet printer. Set up an internet
facing port so you can all use it and I'll deliver prints by drone

http://printer.io probably

This time next year I'll be a millionaire.... Now who can recommend
reliable autonomous drones which I can run off the markup from printing
insurance certificates and PAYE returns.....

*Damian Webber*
Solutions Architect - Web, CMS, ECM, UX
@damianwebber <http://twitter.com/damianwebber> | 07590 807 252

On 13 July 2016 at 19:39, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13 July 2016 at 11:11, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The chap from Westbury Inks said that Brother printers worked out as best
> > value overall.
> >
>
> I'm sure it changes - at one time Canon were excellent, but the landscape
> changes.
>
>
> > I recently asked about that Epsom printer with the big tank. He said that
> > the printer itself was very poor.
> >
>
> Yes, I heard that too.
>
>
> > I have an HP Deskjet F4580. I don't print much and it uses loads of ink
> > which I swear is more expensive per gram than gold. It's never worked
> > properly as a scanner either (I can use the webscan feature, but its
> never
> > worked as Twain or WIA or whatever it's called. ). It has, however never
> > broken or jammed and it seems pretty well made.
> >
>
> Until a few months ago the HP OfficeJet 8500A Plus I have was rock solid
> and reliable, and things like a duplex scanner with sheet feeder, scan to
> networked drive, 250 sheet bin, duplex and waterproof inks were great - but
> a series of ink problems, solved by draining expensive cartridges, and now
> a little plastic cog breaks (something many people on the net report) and
> the whole shebang is landfill.
>
>
> > I'm going for a black and white laser next time. The concept of printing
> > photos at gone never really became a reality - I have printed three
> since I
> > bought it about 9 years ago....
> >
>
> I do think this is probably the reliable and economic solution. Just that
> there are times that printing in colour is important. Maybe a B&W laser
> *and* a cheap inkjet is the right solution - trouble is, the inkjet will
> need to be used to avoid blockages, and if not used enough will fail :-(
>
> F.
>
>
> >
> > D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Joe Leech" <joe.leech at gmail.com>
> > Sent: ?13/?07/?2016 10:48
> > To: "underscore" <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [_] Current home printer opinions?
> >
> > I've stuck with Brother printers over the years, they are pretty solid
> > and ink isn't too expensive. I have a wireless scanner printer and
> > although it doesn't get a massive usage but does a few hundred a month
> > and works well. My current one is 5 years old and still doing a great
> > job.
> >
> > On 13 July 2016 at 10:08, Oliver Humpage <oliver at watershed.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 12 Jul 2016, at 19:42, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> - Not stupidly expensive ink/toner
> > >
> > > I bought a Dell printer a year or so back, they?re reasonably priced
> and
> > so popular that third-party toner is plentiful and cheap.
> > >
> > > It doesn?t get much usage but zero problems so far.
> > >
> > > Oliver.
> > > --
> > > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *****************************************************
> > @mrjoe http://mrjoe.uk
> >
> > Drinking tea and making the internet a better place one website at a time
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Fraser Stephens
> --
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> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore

From steve at steveparry.com  Wed Jul 13 21:38:16 2016
From: steve at steveparry.com (Steve Parry)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 21:38:16 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CAF_xY7oX6N8mRs47JujLn8jdff8wJkAqOT35eojD4iAtaxD37g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CF551E2F-2133-4A5F-800B-2AD3884EDB2F@watershed.co.uk>
 <CA+8arc2ZEjE3VfACdLGm55BYRpXt-SJvMaa=cyTcS3aJGZB9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <578613d2.6922c20a.8bef5.08ce@mx.google.com>
 <CAF_xY7oX6N8mRs47JujLn8jdff8wJkAqOT35eojD4iAtaxD37g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK5OyS3iKYfPiHwqNMf5WSTS=_0SbnL=_HkxvdypcuXnNnRw2w@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like the cog could be a job for a 3D printer...

On Wednesday, 13 July 2016, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13 July 2016 at 11:11, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > The chap from Westbury Inks said that Brother printers worked out as best
> > value overall.
> >
>
> I'm sure it changes - at one time Canon were excellent, but the landscape
> changes.
>
>
> > I recently asked about that Epsom printer with the big tank. He said that
> > the printer itself was very poor.
> >
>
> Yes, I heard that too.
>
>
> > I have an HP Deskjet F4580. I don't print much and it uses loads of ink
> > which I swear is more expensive per gram than gold. It's never worked
> > properly as a scanner either (I can use the webscan feature, but its
> never
> > worked as Twain or WIA or whatever it's called. ). It has, however never
> > broken or jammed and it seems pretty well made.
> >
>
> Until a few months ago the HP OfficeJet 8500A Plus I have was rock solid
> and reliable, and things like a duplex scanner with sheet feeder, scan to
> networked drive, 250 sheet bin, duplex and waterproof inks were great - but
> a series of ink problems, solved by draining expensive cartridges, and now
> a little plastic cog breaks (something many people on the net report) and
> the whole shebang is landfill.
>
>
> > I'm going for a black and white laser next time. The concept of printing
> > photos at gone never really became a reality - I have printed three
> since I
> > bought it about 9 years ago....
> >
>
> I do think this is probably the reliable and economic solution. Just that
> there are times that printing in colour is important. Maybe a B&W laser
> *and* a cheap inkjet is the right solution - trouble is, the inkjet will
> need to be used to avoid blockages, and if not used enough will fail :-(
>
> F.
>
>
> >
> > D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Joe Leech" <joe.leech at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: ?13/?07/?2016 10:48
> > To: "underscore" <underscore at under-score.org.uk <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [_] Current home printer opinions?
> >
> > I've stuck with Brother printers over the years, they are pretty solid
> > and ink isn't too expensive. I have a wireless scanner printer and
> > although it doesn't get a massive usage but does a few hundred a month
> > and works well. My current one is 5 years old and still doing a great
> > job.
> >
> > On 13 July 2016 at 10:08, Oliver Humpage <oliver at watershed.co.uk
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 12 Jul 2016, at 19:42, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> - Not stupidly expensive ink/toner
> > >
> > > I bought a Dell printer a year or so back, they?re reasonably priced
> and
> > so popular that third-party toner is plentiful and cheap.
> > >
> > > It doesn?t get much usage but zero problems so far.
> > >
> > > Oliver.
> > > --
> > > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *****************************************************
> > @mrjoe http://mrjoe.uk
> >
> > Drinking tea and making the internet a better place one website at a time
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Fraser Stephens
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore



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From sam at bristolwireless.net  Wed Jul 13 22:45:18 2016
From: sam at bristolwireless.net (sam at bristolwireless.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:45:18 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CAK5OyS3iKYfPiHwqNMf5WSTS=_0SbnL=_HkxvdypcuXnNnRw2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm not sure it's at all practical, but I'd really like to get a  
plotter I could just stick a pencil in.

Something like this: http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/846#

Does anyone know if that would actually work to print a page of text?  
I don't really care if it takes ages.

Thanks

Sam


Quoting Steve Parry <steve at steveparry.com>:

> Sounds like the cog could be a job for a 3D printer...
>
> On Wednesday, 13 July 2016, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13 July 2016 at 11:11, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>
>> > The chap from Westbury Inks said that Brother printers worked out as best
>> > value overall.
>> >
>>
>> I'm sure it changes - at one time Canon were excellent, but the landscape
>> changes.
>>
>>
>> > I recently asked about that Epsom printer with the big tank. He said that
>> > the printer itself was very poor.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, I heard that too.
>>
>>
>> > I have an HP Deskjet F4580. I don't print much and it uses loads of ink
>> > which I swear is more expensive per gram than gold. It's never worked
>> > properly as a scanner either (I can use the webscan feature, but its
>> never
>> > worked as Twain or WIA or whatever it's called. ). It has, however never
>> > broken or jammed and it seems pretty well made.
>> >
>>
>> Until a few months ago the HP OfficeJet 8500A Plus I have was rock solid
>> and reliable, and things like a duplex scanner with sheet feeder, scan to
>> networked drive, 250 sheet bin, duplex and waterproof inks were great - but
>> a series of ink problems, solved by draining expensive cartridges, and now
>> a little plastic cog breaks (something many people on the net report) and
>> the whole shebang is landfill.
>>
>>
>> > I'm going for a black and white laser next time. The concept of printing
>> > photos at gone never really became a reality - I have printed three
>> since I
>> > bought it about 9 years ago....
>> >
>>
>> I do think this is probably the reliable and economic solution. Just that
>> there are times that printing in colour is important. Maybe a B&W laser
>> *and* a cheap inkjet is the right solution - trouble is, the inkjet will
>> need to be used to avoid blockages, and if not used enough will fail :-(
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > D
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: "Joe Leech" <joe.leech at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>> > Sent: ?13/?07/?2016 10:48
>> > To: "underscore" <underscore at under-score.org.uk <javascript:;>>
>> > Subject: Re: [_] Current home printer opinions?
>> >
>> > I've stuck with Brother printers over the years, they are pretty solid
>> > and ink isn't too expensive. I have a wireless scanner printer and
>> > although it doesn't get a massive usage but does a few hundred a month
>> > and works well. My current one is 5 years old and still doing a great
>> > job.
>> >
>> > On 13 July 2016 at 10:08, Oliver Humpage <oliver at watershed.co.uk
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On 12 Jul 2016, at 19:42, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> - Not stupidly expensive ink/toner
>> > >
>> > > I bought a Dell printer a year or so back, they?re reasonably priced
>> and
>> > so popular that third-party toner is plentiful and cheap.
>> > >
>> > > It doesn?t get much usage but zero problems so far.
>> > >
>> > > Oliver.
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From sam at bristolwireless.net  Wed Jul 13 23:19:22 2016
From: sam at bristolwireless.net (sam at bristolwireless.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:19:22 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <fbd84d12-b404-ddf9-cf10-45d84dea2c1d@brrll.co.uk>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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> plus
> knowing the location of the nearest print shop if I ever need something
> in glossy colour.

I sometimes use this to send letters or photos to my grandmother, or  
send off official documents

http://www.pc2paper.co.uk/send-letters/postage-prices.aspx

It's fairly cheap and means I get by entirely printer-less.

(although I do want one of these as mentioned before:  
http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/846#)

Thanks

Sam








From frstep at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 09:07:10 2016
From: frstep at gmail.com (Fraser Stephens)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:07:10 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <fbd84d12-b404-ddf9-cf10-45d84dea2c1d@brrll.co.uk>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 13 July 2016 at 20:15, Richard Barrell <rchrd at brrll.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm trying to get away with keeping only a B&W laser for documents, plus
> knowing the location of the nearest print shop ....
>

The trouble is that probably 50% of docs we print benefit (or require)
colour: maps, rota spreadsheets that have ben colour coded, lego
instructions... ubiquity of colour means that people expect you to see it:
these days I might review a document in B&W and later find someone has
highlighted some text in colour. Grrrr. I don't think B&W will cut it
unfortunately.

F.


-- 
Fraser Stephens

From frstep at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 09:10:51 2016
From: frstep at gmail.com (Fraser Stephens)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:10:51 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CAK5OyS3iKYfPiHwqNMf5WSTS=_0SbnL=_HkxvdypcuXnNnRw2w@mail.gmail.com>
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On 13 July 2016 at 21:38, Steve Parry <steve at steveparry.com> wrote:

> Sounds like the cog could be a job for a 3D printer...
>

Someone has even published the model for it. Would 3D printing be strong
enough I wonder?

(I also wonder how many hours it would take me to get to the part buried
deep in the printer, and what of the chances of it working once back
together again? It is the sort of task I used to really enjoy doing when I
had copious free time, but right now I have tonnes of more important things
to do)

F.


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From mikek at brightstorm.co.uk  Thu Jul 14 09:51:32 2016
From: mikek at brightstorm.co.uk (Mike Karthauser)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:51:32 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CAF_xY7r28tZ=-KS9hO-z-Yp2sWt6c+6keyen1iJPtCWYr_xnYA@mail.gmail.com>
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We went for an epson SX535WD for home use which i picked up from pc world for under ?60.
https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/inkjet-printers/consumer/epson-stylus-sx535wd <https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/inkjet-printers/consumer/epson-stylus-sx535wd>

As its AirPrint capable, its been a boon as we can print from phones and the macs. I?ve been using pattern carts in it for 3 years now and its still working as it should - school projects, business proposals, photos etc.

Not sure what the equivalent current model is but have been happy with this one.

> On 14 Jul 2016, at 09:10, Fraser Stephens <frstep at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 13 July 2016 at 21:38, Steve Parry <steve at steveparry.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sounds like the cog could be a job for a 3D printer...
>> 
> 
> Someone has even published the model for it. Would 3D printing be strong
> enough I wonder?
> 
> (I also wonder how many hours it would take me to get to the part buried
> deep in the printer, and what of the chances of it working once back
> together again? It is the sort of task I used to really enjoy doing when I
> had copious free time, but right now I have tonnes of more important things
> to do)
> 
> F.
> 
> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
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From paddy at wincstudio.co.uk  Thu Jul 14 10:09:04 2016
From: paddy at wincstudio.co.uk (Paddy Winsley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:09:04 +0100
Subject: [_] Wordpress jQuery Submenu question
Message-ID: <E48ED671-DA25-4287-A390-64DECE194640@wincstudio.co.uk>

Hi All,

A client has asked for an amendment in their Wordpress navigation. It currently has 3 sub menu?s which are displayed on hover, however they want the sub menu to stay open when the user is on the child page. Which is easy to do with CSS. BUT, if the user hovers over another sub menu they want it to disappear. 

Can any jQuery buffs help me out? Can pay for your time.

Paddy 

From daniel.hilton at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 11:38:29 2016
From: daniel.hilton at gmail.com (Daniel Hilton)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:38:29 +0100
Subject: [_] IKEA standing desk BEKANT - recommendations?
Message-ID: <CAJGBusiRFiHrBWD5dFaxPQoCbAbXRtFfaPN-_BLu9ccTF5Gxcw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey [_]

Looking to get a new standing desk - remember some people got the Ikea one,
just wondered now a while on, if people who have them would recommend?

Cheers,
Dan

-- 
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============================
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www.DanHilton.co.uk
============================

From paddy at creativemedia.org.uk  Fri Jul 15 12:09:32 2016
From: paddy at creativemedia.org.uk (Paddy)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:09:32 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2036.1468579136.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
References: <mailman.2036.1468579136.22498.underscore@under-score.org.uk>
Message-ID: <5788C46C.5040706@creativemedia.org.uk>

Other considerations with colour laser v inkjet are:
1. Can you do two-sided printing?
2. Is the laser faster (and does it matter)?
3. Do the inkjet prints run when wet? Damp resistant printing gives you 
lots more versatility.

I'd always go for a laser for any kind of "business printing" with large 
areas of solid colour; a more professional finish and more practical for 
making multiple copies of reports, short runs of promo material, etc etc.
There are powder refill kits for laser toners and capacity is higher, so 
less ink changes.

Best of all, make friends with someone who has a posh colour 
copier/printer at work. :-)

I hope that's useful.

- Paddy

From tim at matter2media.com  Fri Jul 15 12:46:48 2016
From: tim at matter2media.com (Tim Kindberg)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:46:48 +0100
Subject: [_] iPhone needing to be (re-)initialised but no sim
In-Reply-To: <CALn9VRsi5aCVXU+_ZxGybc6M5N1VXSz+j+MrT4pSnZ6RgcUTFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5694dde6-7c3b-760a-3463-a45c6478877c@matter2media.com>
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Message-ID: <693d3ec9-20c8-8be6-23d8-32f79a3d4868@matter2media.com>

My problem was that I didn't know which carrier it was locked to but I 
managed to find out through the paper trail. A quick trip to the 
vodafone shop sorted it out - one of the assistants put his sim in. Job 
done.

Thanks,

Tim


On 13/07/2016 16:39, Derek Almond wrote:
> I did the same for my boy,  i just bought a PAYG sim for what ever network
> it was, as that was more convenient that going anywhere else.
>
> it's one of my biggest annoyances - that a device you own outright is
> locked to the first carrier that you use a sim for.
> D
>
> On 13 July 2016 at 16:26, Tim Kindberg <tim at matter2media.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear _,
>>
>> Several years ago I bought a SIM-free iPhone 5 off eBay for development.
>> It was working fine up to yesterday but this morning, when I switched it
>> on, it decided it needed to 'initialise' itself. It's demanding a sim
>> before it will go any further. I put in the one from my own phone but
>> apparently it's not the right carrier.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a shop I can take it to to get it unlocked?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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From matt at quernus.co.uk  Fri Jul 15 13:15:26 2016
From: matt at quernus.co.uk (Quernus)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:15:26 +0100
Subject: [_] IKEA standing desk BEKANT - recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <CAJGBusiRFiHrBWD5dFaxPQoCbAbXRtFfaPN-_BLu9ccTF5Gxcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJGBusiRFiHrBWD5dFaxPQoCbAbXRtFfaPN-_BLu9ccTF5Gxcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0BD3A339-7DE8-4F41-A503-5252BD88E00C@quernus.co.uk>

I bought one about a year ago. No complaints. Still going strong. Only slight improvement on it would be if it had height presets you could set. 

-Matt

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+44 117 325 3025
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> On 15 Jul 2016, at 11:38, Daniel Hilton <daniel.hilton at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey [_]
> 
> Looking to get a new standing desk - remember some people got the Ikea one,
> just wondered now a while on, if people who have them would recommend?
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan
> 
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From fiznool at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 13:24:55 2016
From: fiznool at gmail.com (Tom Spencer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:24:55 +0100
Subject: [_] IKEA standing desk BEKANT - recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <CAJGBusiRFiHrBWD5dFaxPQoCbAbXRtFfaPN-_BLu9ccTF5Gxcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJGBusiRFiHrBWD5dFaxPQoCbAbXRtFfaPN-_BLu9ccTF5Gxcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAER4s9ZcwgtJeEmgKQ0Tnxw13dB+UN=7=b+DerJC52gg7LX9CA@mail.gmail.com>

I bought one around a year ago. A couple of months back, it started
exhibiting this problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbFJ1QJH3o

Now, the motor flat-out refuses to work at all. I keep meaning to get
around to calling Ikea and asking for a new power supply, but haven't got
around to it yet.

Based on the hassle involved here I wouldn't really recommend, AFAIK there
are other standing desks which are a bit dearer but have much better build
quality. If you are going to shell out ?500 for a standing desk, you should
make it a good one!



On 15 July 2016 at 11:38, Daniel Hilton <daniel.hilton at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey [_]
>
> Looking to get a new standing desk - remember some people got the Ikea one,
> just wondered now a while on, if people who have them would recommend?
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
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From rozangela at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 15 19:17:24 2016
From: rozangela at hotmail.com (Adrian H)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:17:24 +0000
Subject: [_] onsite IT support
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB0841B25CDFC177F465B3C689A8330@HE1PR1001MB0841.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Looking for a proactive freelancer to work onsite for 4 weeks for general IT support starting in next couple of weeks. Must be proactive and know hyper-v, Skype for business, AD and be great customer facing for Windows 10.

If you know if anyone, offering a really good rate.

Thanks

Adrian

From rchrd at brrll.co.uk  Sat Jul 16 02:17:16 2016
From: rchrd at brrll.co.uk (Richard Barrell)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 02:17:16 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <20160713231922.Horde.zh1ha5eRUz5nyq2xxgBd6ti@slackmail.co.uk>
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On 13/07/16 23:19, sam at bristolwireless.net wrote:
> I sometimes use this to send letters or photos to my grandmother, or
> send off official documents
> 
> http://www.pc2paper.co.uk/send-letters/postage-prices.aspx
> 
> It's fairly cheap and means I get by entirely printer-less.

Bookmarked, thank you.


From rchrd at brrll.co.uk  Sat Jul 16 02:19:24 2016
From: rchrd at brrll.co.uk (Richard Barrell)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 02:19:24 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CAF_xY7r28tZ=-KS9hO-z-Yp2sWt6c+6keyen1iJPtCWYr_xnYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 14/07/16 09:10, Fraser Stephens wrote:
> (I also wonder how many hours it would take me to get to the part buried
> deep in the printer, and what of the chances of it working once back
> together again? It is the sort of task I used to really enjoy doing when I
> had copious free time, but right now I have tonnes of more important things
> to do)

My experience is that the damn thing rarely works when put back together.

From abrahamster at gmail.com  Sun Jul 17 17:14:54 2016
From: abrahamster at gmail.com (Dave Abraham)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:14:54 +0100
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> Perhaps you have some personal advice for Colse on how to be unsubscribed
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From christopher at mckirgan.com  Sun Jul 17 20:25:42 2016
From: christopher at mckirgan.com (Christopher McKirgan)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:25:42 +0100
Subject: [_] Desk space in Bath
Message-ID: <CAFvJN-peec+6Ydf6xs+MzOGazCTyYMFcErusZWnv4ycvgdRbJw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi _,
I'm looking for some desk space in Bath, 2-3 days a week for about 4 months
for a web project I'm working on. Anyone aware of any available? The
Guildhub is a little too pricey for me. Avoiding Bristol due to travel time
from home...

Thanks all,
- Chris

From daisyefsmith at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 12:32:00 2016
From: daisyefsmith at gmail.com (Daisy Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:32:00 +0100
Subject: [_] Photographer needed 29th July
Message-ID: <CADgqCEjMQLsWUD4n-qDV+y5hNCNCiObAM87oPLJ+WkJJZ9Pwsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm looking for a photographer for a couple of hours 29th July for the
press launch of our new shared-ride service Slide Bristol
<http://www.slidebristol.com/>

Does anyone have any recommendations or contacts?

Thank you

From adam.saunders at neetrix.com  Mon Jul 18 16:42:17 2016
From: adam.saunders at neetrix.com (Adam Saunders)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [_] C# Backend Developer
Message-ID: <13bee3ad-a233-4ceb-bab8-36fbde0ac42b@getmailbird.com>

We've just landed some additional investment and are looking to expand the small team. Looking for a full time C# developer to join us in our offices in Kingswood, Bristol.

We are looking for a talented developer and not just a programmer. Solid problem solving skills needed. Business acumen and experience is a big plus.

If you know anyone that might be interested, please let them and me know.

Thanks,

Adam

From martinm at it-helps.co.uk  Mon Jul 18 20:09:38 2016
From: martinm at it-helps.co.uk (Martin Moore)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:09:38 +0100
Subject: [_] Leaflet.js
Message-ID: <02d901d1e127$ee391eb0$caab5c10$@co.uk>

I?m doing some stuff with Leaflet and Mapquest. All going swimmingly, except the map won?t drag/pan in a frame. At least, I think that?s the crux of the issue.  A new single page is fine but when I try and replace and old SVG map which is in a frame on an existing app it fails.

And no, losing the frame isn?t really an option ?

Any ideas?


Ta.




From Chris at createmarketing.co.uk  Wed Jul 20 08:43:48 2016
From: Chris at createmarketing.co.uk (Chris Baines)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:43:48 +0100
Subject: [_] Looking for a HTML5 mobile developer
Message-ID: <CB4C779EAAF8344E990F3A7B63F33568016EF9DED952@CS01.create.local>

We are currently looking for a Freelance developer with experience developing iOS and Android apps using HTML5 + Phonegap. We have selected the framework "Foundation7" however this isn't fixed.

We estimate the project to be 3 weeks to create the prototype and then up to another 3 weeks to complete, so estimating 4-6 weeks, starting the 2nd week of August (8th).

Ideally we would like you to work at our office located in Wick, Bristol during this time.

Experience submitting to the app/play store would also be an advantage.

If you are interested, please let me know: chris at createmarketing.co.uk<mailto:chris at createmarketing.co.uk>

Many thanks
Chris

From Mark.Burvill at aardman.com  Wed Jul 20 17:57:40 2016
From: Mark.Burvill at aardman.com (Mark Burvill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:57:40 +0000
Subject: [_] Callout for creative front-enders
Message-ID: <C879AF13-5E08-4F6A-847D-05A3A24E78AD@aardman.com>

Hi everyone,

I?m a bit out-of-touch with Underscore these days, so apologies for seagulling-in, but we?re looking for some new creative front-end freelancers here at Aardman and I wanted to throw it out there in case anyone?s hiding.

Below is the official blurb we?re sending out:

Here at Aardman?s digital and interactive dept, we?re looking to expand our roster of local freelance creative front-end HTML5 developers with experience in making richly animated web experiences and / or simple web games.

You will be fluent in the modern front-end web stack, and able to build fully responsive websites and HTML5 web apps.
You?ll have experience with CSS animations using popular animation libraries like GSAP.
You will have experience building on top of Canvas and WebGL, you?ve probably messed around with Three.js, and may have made simple games and experiences using libraries like Create.js or Phaser.
You will be aware of the limitations in building web apps for mobile and tablet devices, often with limited available memory and the requirement to run on older browsers.
Ideally, you like working in Typescript.
You may even have a background in Flash and AS3 (but sshhh it?s okay we won?t tell anyone).
You will be based in the Bristol area, and able to work on site in our central Bristol office for at least some of the time on any projects.

If this sounds like you, we?d love to hear from you. Please send examples of work / portfolio and your day rate to jobs at aardman.com<mailto:jobs at aardman.com>

Thanks!
Mark.

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From paulmatson at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 15:35:47 2016
From: paulmatson at gmail.com (Paul Matson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:35:47 +0100
Subject: [_] UI developer needed
Message-ID: <CAJm5tNfg4-Nhp7sv=S40hoCayTUUD6DmKEHB9J+n7PabM-bW7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

IOP (Institute of Physics) Publishing is a global science publisher in
Bristol (near Temple Meads), and we're looking for a UI developer to join
our team. If you have a strong appreciation of graphic design matched with
great front-end skills (HTML/CSS/JS) we'd love to hear from you.

IOP is a great place to work and offers generous benefits, pension, bonus
scheme and more. Full details and online application form here:

https://ioppublishingcareers.org/vacancies/5792/ui_developer/

If you apply please mention me on the online form. And no agencies please.
Thanks!

Paul

From hello at techfolk.co.uk  Thu Jul 21 14:19:42 2016
From: hello at techfolk.co.uk (hello from techfolk)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:19:42 +0100
Subject: [_] Nomensa is hiring, for a Lead Front End Developer
Message-ID: <2cd6b7f03b547cbcbe2941c6525af912@mail.gmail.com>

'Afternoon [_]

We're helping the UX consultancy and digital experience agency Nomensa
find their new colleague, joining as the technical lead on front end.

It's an important position, guiding a progressive Web development team as
they pioneer highly accessible content driven websites. It's a coding
oriented role, with a personal focus on front end. Please see:
http://techfolk.co.uk/current-jobs/lead-front-end-developer-central-bristo
l-tl161

We would encourage you to be in touch asap via any of the methods below if
you'd like to explore things further.

Thanks!
Andrew

Andrew Gifford, Founder
techfolk Ltd
Tel: 07710 794225 | 0117 318 2447
andrew at techfolk.co.uk | www.techfolk.co.uk | @we_are_techfolk
96 Belmont Road, Bristol, BS6 5AU

From julianmorganpearce at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 23:41:00 2016
From: julianmorganpearce at gmail.com (Julian Pearce)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 23:41:00 +0100
Subject: [_] Junior Web Developer
Message-ID: <CAET6pPeSdVUp4Jy3Ofc3aeQCJBLftjBWFoZ556h=+Wkk2LRi_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there, I am currently looking for a Junior Web Development job in the
Bristol area. My portfolio can be viewed online athttp://julian.mp/ and my
GitHub profile is http://github.com/juliancode/

If anyone knows of any suitable roles in the area it would be greatly
appreciated, thanks for your time.

Thanks Julian

From joe.leech at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 09:45:39 2016
From: joe.leech at gmail.com (Joe Leech)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:45:39 +0100
Subject: [_] It's a good time to be a front-end dev
Message-ID: <CA+8arc3nsv1auq7rdSdX8yFBoXGSi+=j-mGWkdhKS=cz20thRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Judging by the number of job posts over the last few days.

Great to see,

joe


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From daniel.hilton at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 09:53:33 2016
From: daniel.hilton at gmail.com (Daniel Hilton)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:53:33 +0100
Subject: [_] It's a good time to be a front-end dev
In-Reply-To: <CA+8arc3nsv1auq7rdSdX8yFBoXGSi+=j-mGWkdhKS=cz20thRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+8arc3nsv1auq7rdSdX8yFBoXGSi+=j-mGWkdhKS=cz20thRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGBusgW9T-Vcb5F15=E02-P0NbVRxnmXwpSw7j85nkbe76rdg@mail.gmail.com>

In part because it's a really, really hard job these days :-/

// Dan staring at a react app implementing sagas(wtaf?) and jsx templates.
Sigh.

On 22 July 2016 at 09:45, Joe Leech <joe.leech at gmail.com> wrote:

> Judging by the number of job posts over the last few days.
>
> Great to see,
>
> joe
>
>
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From damian.webber at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 22:32:08 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:32:08 +0100
Subject: [_] Upgrading an iPad 2 to iOS 9
Message-ID: <1C669FA8-A84A-45AA-9FE2-41FA4DF5FC09@gmail.com>

Has anyone upgraded an iPad 2 to iOS 9?

Ours in still on 7 and new apps just aren't available. I understand that memory on iPad 2 (and iPhone 4S) is a bit light which might not play well despite being supported.

Searches generally bring up early reports saying that it probably isn't a good idea but does anyone here have real world experience.

Thanks!

D

From oliward at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 12:59:27 2016
From: oliward at gmail.com (Oli Ward)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:59:27 +0100
Subject: [_] Junior web developer looking for work placement after bootcamp
Message-ID: <CAD+DkpQ8yKpfftCJtQy8qsZS2O4E8EKbggDfkJWR42X_P3i6+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi 'scorers,

we're nearing the end of our first 3 month full-stack developer bootcamp.

The next step is for our graduates to go onto work placements.

Unfortunately one of our placement companies has had to pull out so we're
on the lookout for another place.

Can you help a super-keen junior web developer get started?

Does any one know of any companies that would be interested in offering a
1-3 month paid work placement?

Could be a great way to try out new talent before offering them a perm
position.

Full details on what they've been taught here:
https://developme.training/fellowship/

But briefly:

   - HTML+CSS+Bootstrap, turning PSD designs into templates
   - jQuery, Angular + Ionic
   - PHP, WordPress, Drupal, Laravel

Would be grateful if you could ask around.

Cheers

Oli Ward

w: developme.training
e: oliward at gmail.com

From oliward at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 14:27:34 2016
From: oliward at gmail.com (Oli Ward)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:27:34 +0100
Subject: [_] Angular, Ionic, Git, RESTful APIs & Note.js Workshops in August
Message-ID: <CAD+DkpStHHeZjuvj1TyDpFgkGJwTPwQqk+6oGamHr8r8xSzN9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

if there is anyone not on summer holiday yet and needing some new skills, we're
running quite a few one day tech workshops in August.

Hopefully some that will be of specific interest to a dev team:

   - Building Hybrid Mobile Apps using Ionic Framework
   <https://www.eventbrite.com/e/building-hybrid-mobile-apps-using-the-ionic-framework-tickets-26277583961>
    (*1st August*):
   https://www.eventbrite.com/e/building-hybrid-mobile-apps-using-the-ionic-framework-tickets-26277583961
   - Version Management with Git & GitHub
   <https://www.eventbrite.com/e/version-management-with-git-and-github-tickets-25735428359>
   (*3rd August*):
   https://www.eventbrite.com/e/version-management-with-git-and-github-tickets-25735428359
   - Designing and Building a RESTful API with node.js
   <https://www.eventbrite.com/e/designing-and-building-a-restful-api-with-nodejs-tickets-26277874831>
    (*8th August)*:
   https://www.eventbrite.com/e/designing-and-building-a-restful-api-with-nodejs-tickets-26277874831
   - AngularJS Fundamentals
   <https://www.eventbrite.com/e/angularjs-fundamentals-tickets-26560025752>
   (*24th August)*:
   https://www.eventbrite.com/e/angularjs-fundamentals-tickets-26560025752

The full list of our August workshops can be found here:

http://www.eventbrite.com/o/develop-me-7651656269

These are all being held at our new training space in Bristol at the
Paintworks.

Cheers

Oli Ward

w: developme.training
e: oliward at gmail.com

From jongosling at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 01:45:57 2016
From: jongosling at gmail.com (Jon Gosling)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:45:57 +0900
Subject: [_] Upgrading an iPad 2 to iOS 9
In-Reply-To: <1C669FA8-A84A-45AA-9FE2-41FA4DF5FC09@gmail.com>
References: <1C669FA8-A84A-45AA-9FE2-41FA4DF5FC09@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH77_xQ6SUEC5CD83=Kn1pOV8CLis4Fk6YThHG6c_R51MGyWNA@mail.gmail.com>

Do you mean iPad 2 or iPad Air 2?
iOS 9 on my iPad 3 (the last one with the 30pin connector) was completely
unusable (laggy UI) and I had to roll back to 8.4.1 which runs just fine.
My advice is don't do it (unless you're happy to have a go and then spend
the time rolling back if necessary).

On 25 July 2016 at 06:32, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone upgraded an iPad 2 to iOS 9?
>
> Ours in still on 7 and new apps just aren't available. I understand that
> memory on iPad 2 (and iPhone 4S) is a bit light which might not play well
> despite being supported.
>
> Searches generally bring up early reports saying that it probably isn't a
> good idea but does anyone here have real world experience.
>
> Thanks!
>
> D
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From Will.Cleverly at epochdesign.co.uk  Tue Jul 26 11:23:06 2016
From: Will.Cleverly at epochdesign.co.uk (Will Cleverly)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:23:06 +0100
Subject: [_] TeamSite experienced - freelance back end developers
Message-ID: <D3BCF89A.2A7FD%will.cleverly@epochdesign.co.uk>

Hi all,

Any freelance back end developers in the local area with experience to assist with a legacy CMS build through TeamSite?

Any recommendations will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Will

Will Cleverly | Epoch
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From roddyscaife at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 11:55:30 2016
From: roddyscaife at gmail.com (Roddy Scaife)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:55:30 +0000
Subject: [_] Marketing/promotion contractor/freelancer required
Message-ID: <CAFVyGqDp7cinDN1uvyUrRBO_12CBWG63JL91mQHVnN2sgeYsnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Does anyone know of any decent marketing contractors looking for work in
the coming few weeks. We have a 2/3 month contract to work on digital and
direct marketing. Predominantly focused on user acquisition.

The business is called Slide and we offer a premium shared ride to work
service in Bristol. More info can be found here - www.slidebristol.com

Please contact me at roddy at slidebristol.com or 07984551613.

Thanks
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From sam at bristolwireless.net  Wed Jul 27 13:33:44 2016
From: sam at bristolwireless.net (sam at bristolwireless.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:33:44 +0100
Subject: [_] Introducing The Things Network Bristol - Open Source LoRaWAN
Message-ID: <20160727133344.Horde.NbJM0Pd3OZ5yOdL3jMDNaJE@slackmail.co.uk>


Hi all

I'm interested in setting up some Things network gateways in Bristol:

Our vision
The internet was created by people that connected their networks and  
allowed traffic from, to and over their servers and cables to pass for  
free. As a result, there was abundant data communication and  
exponential innovation. The Things Network is doing the same for the  
Internet of Things by creating abundant data connectivity. So  
applications and businesses can flourish.

https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/

https://vimeo.com/136731514

https://twitter.com/ttnbristol

https://staging.thethingsnetwork.org/wiki/Backend/Overview

If you're interested in helping out in some way would be great if you  
could fill out this short form:

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/99PXYCC

And forward this message to anyone else you think might be interested.

If there's enough interest I'll sort out a crowdfunder for a couple of  
gateways and a few nodes to get us started.

Thanks

Sam




From nigel.legg at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 13:52:14 2016
From: nigel.legg at gmail.com (Nigel Legg)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:52:14 +0100
Subject: [_] Introducing The Things Network Bristol - Open Source LoRaWAN
In-Reply-To: <20160727133344.Horde.NbJM0Pd3OZ5yOdL3jMDNaJE@slackmail.co.uk>
References: <20160727133344.Horde.NbJM0Pd3OZ5yOdL3jMDNaJE@slackmail.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CADeX7vycnj60NaS5zLD8z3nXMA2eFfmG6u9_xssU2u1DP2o4iA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sam, thanks for taking a lead on this - there are gateways on order
already!!
Benedict Gaster at UWE is planning on deploying 4 LoRaWAN gateways in the
next few months - I think mainly on UWE property to start with, but as that
stretches from Frenchay down to Bower Ashton, that could cover a large part
of the city.  I am working on devices for the #BristolApproach #Citizen
Sensing project, and with a proposal to install 40-50 air quality
monitoring devices across the city, which will potentially add a couple
more gateways to the network if they are needed (though the ThingsNetwork
say the gateways can receive over 20km, that's in an ideal situation, and
Bristol, being somewhat hilly, may not be so ideal).  I'd like these
gateways - which could either be bought from the Things Network or
homebuilt - to be at Easton Community Centre and/or Barton Hill Setlement,
though I haven't talked to either organisation yet.
Ben and I have a meeting in a couple of weeks; maybe it would be good for
you an me to meet next week sometime, and discuss?  Please let me know when
/ where would be good for you.

Cheers, Nigel
mobile 07758 665575


On 27 July 2016 at 13:33, <sam at bristolwireless.net> wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> I'm interested in setting up some Things network gateways in Bristol:
>
> Our vision
> The internet was created by people that connected their networks and
> allowed traffic from, to and over their servers and cables to pass for
> free. As a result, there was abundant data communication and exponential
> innovation. The Things Network is doing the same for the Internet of Things
> by creating abundant data connectivity. So applications and businesses can
> flourish.
>
> https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/
>
> https://vimeo.com/136731514
>
> https://twitter.com/ttnbristol
>
> https://staging.thethingsnetwork.org/wiki/Backend/Overview
>
> If you're interested in helping out in some way would be great if you
> could fill out this short form:
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/99PXYCC
>
> And forward this message to anyone else you think might be interested.
>
> If there's enough interest I'll sort out a crowdfunder for a couple of
> gateways and a few nodes to get us started.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sam
>
>
>
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From damian.webber at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 18:59:44 2016
From: damian.webber at gmail.com (Damian Webber)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:59:44 +0100
Subject: [_] Where are all the Java Developers?
Message-ID: <CANzT8VHZqipvLq0+UQ_FWCxpJ7-nyJ2L4zMybaCF1=kzOWkfFw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking to recruit 20-40 Java Developers and a handful of DevOps
engineers for a number of secure projects starting in October.

I spoke with my resourcing team and they say that they're having real
trouble recruiting Java Developers? Where have they all gone - is this
common across the community?

Additional complexity is contributed by the necessity for developers to be
security cleared to SC and be clearable to NPPV3 (non-police personell
vetting)

Apparently our recruitment arm has only managed to hire 5 developers for
other projects in three months despite having 30 roles open.

Where are you!?!?!?


*Damian Webber*
Solutions Architect - Web, CMS, ECM, UX
@damianwebber <http://twitter.com/damianwebber> | 07590 807 252

From daniel.hilton at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 22:08:55 2016
From: daniel.hilton at gmail.com (Daniel Hilton)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:08:55 +0100
Subject: [_] Where are all the Java Developers?
In-Reply-To: <CANzT8VHZqipvLq0+UQ_FWCxpJ7-nyJ2L4zMybaCF1=kzOWkfFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANzT8VHZqipvLq0+UQ_FWCxpJ7-nyJ2L4zMybaCF1=kzOWkfFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGBusg37zF_2yEodt61fZU+QetpH=WTsNcGw__XXNB5kO=Czw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wednesday, 27 July 2016, Damian Webber <damian.webber at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm looking to recruit 20-40 Java Developers and a handful of DevOps
> engineers for a number of secure projects starting in October.
>
> I spoke with my resourcing team and they say that they're having real
> trouble recruiting Java Developers? Where have they all gone - is this
> common across the community?
>
> Additional complexity is contributed by the necessity for developers to be
> security cleared to SC and be clearable to NPPV3 (non-police personell
> vetting)
>
> Apparently our recruitment arm has only managed to hire 5 developers for
> other projects in three months despite having 30 roles open.
>
> Where are you!?!?!?


Contractors? Most Java dev's that I know have moved to scala or clojure or
are only writing Java doing really, really interesting things. Why? Because
that's where the market has gone - traditional j2ee stuff, jboss type stuff
is viewed rightly or wrongly as legacy Java tech and is in most places
being phased out or put on life support. That's not to say that is right
that this is happening but the fashion seems to be towards lightweight
embedded servers (jetty, Netty, etc) with fat jars as the deployment target
not the more traditional enterprise Java mule esb, liferay, alfresco, etc.

There are still a lot of Hadoop big data type contracts and contractors
about - Cheltenham seems to be a hot spot ;-)

The other thing to note is that contractors are quite thin on the ground -
I'm not sure if the recent changes in tax and IR35 have had an affect on
supply but it's hard finding people in sorts of roles especially if you've
got to be in weird places (by weird I mean not a major town / city or on a
fringe industrial estate) I find more and more contractors don't drive for
example because they've just worked in London or reading or Swindon.

The SC bit should work in your favour though as people seem to like to gain
SC if they can.

Good luck - you may need it.

Dan




>
>
> *Damian Webber*
> Solutions Architect - Web, CMS, ECM, UX
> @damianwebber <http://twitter.com/damianwebber> | 07590 807 252
> --
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> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>


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============================
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www.DanHilton.co.uk
============================

From richardjohngrafton at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 11:50:01 2016
From: richardjohngrafton at gmail.com (Richard Grafton)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:50:01 +0100
Subject: [_] Creative Teaching Technologist Job at UoB
Message-ID: <CABUmpB+ExrW+CGPRxw9uPxfyZxKy771tTKYTC98sCmcYSXC4SQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

We've got a fab new (part-time) role being advertised at Bristol University
for a 'Creative Teaching Technologist'.

It's a great opportunity for somebody interested in Computer Science, who
is passionate about working with talented young people, and who likes to
solve the human (not just the technical) problems of technology.

More info here:

http://www.bristol.ac.uk/jobs/find/details.html?nPostingID=4845&nPostingTargetID=17990

The role is being advertised until 21 Aug. 17.5 hr / week. ?31-35k pro rata.

Thanks,
Richard

From darwinpeltan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 13:32:14 2016
From: darwinpeltan at gmail.com (Darwin Peltan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:32:14 +0000
Subject: [_] Photographer needed 29th July
In-Reply-To: <CADgqCEjMQLsWUD4n-qDV+y5hNCNCiObAM87oPLJ+WkJJZ9Pwsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADgqCEjMQLsWUD4n-qDV+y5hNCNCiObAM87oPLJ+WkJJZ9Pwsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK7V9=BV2QXoYS1nnWJBuokMk-OD3AsvX1Cr+65aMVzD1O+FWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Daisy,

Kay Ransom is good if you're still looking.

http://www.kayransom.com

Best,

Darwin

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:33 Daisy Smith, <daisyefsmith at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a photographer for a couple of hours 29th July for the
> press launch of our new shared-ride service Slide Bristol
> <http://www.slidebristol.com/>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations or contacts?
>
> Thank you
> --
> underscore_ list info/archive ->
> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
>

From nigel.legg at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 13:54:23 2016
From: nigel.legg at gmail.com (Nigel Legg)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:54:23 +0100
Subject: [_] Photographer needed 29th July
In-Reply-To: <CAK7V9=BV2QXoYS1nnWJBuokMk-OD3AsvX1Cr+65aMVzD1O+FWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADgqCEjMQLsWUD4n-qDV+y5hNCNCiObAM87oPLJ+WkJJZ9Pwsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK7V9=BV2QXoYS1nnWJBuokMk-OD3AsvX1Cr+65aMVzD1O+FWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADeX7vyOKivNV+P00pCpuf=7DJmt9Tdja8K8H0br7CE=Wf=hmg@mail.gmail.com>

You could also try Rupert Marlow - though he specialises in weddings, he
also does conferences and other events.  rupertmarlow.com


Cheers, Nigel
mobile 07758 665575


On 28 July 2016 at 13:32, Darwin Peltan <darwinpeltan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Daisy,
>
> Kay Ransom is good if you're still looking.
>
> http://www.kayransom.com
>
> Best,
>
> Darwin
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:33 Daisy Smith, <daisyefsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm looking for a photographer for a couple of hours 29th July for the
> > press launch of our new shared-ride service Slide Bristol
> > <http://www.slidebristol.com/>
> >
> > Does anyone have any recommendations or contacts?
> >
> > Thank you
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
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From dave at bathdesign.co.uk  Thu Jul 28 15:08:59 2016
From: dave at bathdesign.co.uk (Dave Sayer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:08:59 -0400
Subject: [_] SEO / Digital Marketing bod required
Message-ID: <CAAy_vpPUq5=YyD2H1bDb2XW5XcpWHBnu4CzvDV76kYfgPBOyMg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I have a new client who is struggling to get any kind of success with
organic placement in the SERPs and is spending a large amount on AdWords
every month. His site needs a fair amount of tweaking, especially for
mobile, which I am looking at but he really needs a specialist individual
or small company to take the reins going forwards. So far he?s had a couple
of hefty quotes, one from a company who told him they?ll create 100
microsites at ?200 a pop and do a bunch of other stuff that just sounds
plain old black hat and might work for a short time and then get him
blacklisted.

Does anyone here have any recommendations for ethical SEO types with solid
track record?

Cheers,

Dave

From dave at bathdesign.co.uk  Thu Jul 28 15:08:59 2016
From: dave at bathdesign.co.uk (Dave Sayer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:08:59 -0400
Subject: [_] SEO / Digital Marketing bod required
Message-ID: <CAAy_vpPUq5=YyD2H1bDb2XW5XcpWHBnu4CzvDV76kYfgPBOyMg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I have a new client who is struggling to get any kind of success with
organic placement in the SERPs and is spending a large amount on AdWords
every month. His site needs a fair amount of tweaking, especially for
mobile, which I am looking at but he really needs a specialist individual
or small company to take the reins going forwards. So far he?s had a couple
of hefty quotes, one from a company who told him they?ll create 100
microsites at ?200 a pop and do a bunch of other stuff that just sounds
plain old black hat and might work for a short time and then get him
blacklisted.

Does anyone here have any recommendations for ethical SEO types with solid
track record?

Cheers,

Dave

From adam.saunders at neetrix.com  Fri Jul 29 01:14:00 2016
From: adam.saunders at neetrix.com (Adam Saunders)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 01:14:00 +0100
Subject: [_] Photographer needed 29th July
In-Reply-To: <CADeX7vyOKivNV+P00pCpuf=7DJmt9Tdja8K8H0br7CE=Wf=hmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADgqCEjMQLsWUD4n-qDV+y5hNCNCiObAM87oPLJ+WkJJZ9Pwsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK7V9=BV2QXoYS1nnWJBuokMk-OD3AsvX1Cr+65aMVzD1O+FWQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADeX7vyOKivNV+P00pCpuf=7DJmt9Tdja8K8H0br7CE=Wf=hmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018701d1e92e$1b85b550$52911ff0$@neetrix.com>

I'd agree.. Rupert is very good.. Another local super talent is Denny Wong
http://www.dennywongphotography.co.uk/

Can't go wrong with either of them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Underscore [mailto:underscore-bounces at under-score.org.uk] On Behalf Of
Nigel Legg
Sent: 28 July 2016 13:54
To: underscore at under-score.org.uk
Subject: Re: [_] Photographer needed 29th July

You could also try Rupert Marlow - though he specialises in weddings, he
also does conferences and other events.  rupertmarlow.com


Cheers, Nigel
mobile 07758 665575


On 28 July 2016 at 13:32, Darwin Peltan <darwinpeltan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Daisy,
>
> Kay Ransom is good if you're still looking.
>
> http://www.kayransom.com
>
> Best,
>
> Darwin
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:33 Daisy Smith, <daisyefsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm looking for a photographer for a couple of hours 29th July for 
> > the press launch of our new shared-ride service Slide Bristol 
> > <http://www.slidebristol.com/>
> >
> > Does anyone have any recommendations or contacts?
> >
> > Thank you
> > --
> > underscore_ list info/archive ->
> > http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
> --
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> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
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From Chris at createmarketing.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 09:06:23 2016
From: Chris at createmarketing.co.uk (Chris Baines)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:06:23 +0100
Subject: [_] Looking for a Freelance PHP developer with Laravel experience
Message-ID: <CB4C779EAAF8344E990F3A7B63F33568016EF9DEDCFD@CS01.create.local>

Hi everyone

We are looking for a freelance PHP developer with experience developing using Laravel.

The project will be between 1-2 months and looking to start as soon as possible.

If you are interested, please let me know: chris at createmarketing.co.uk<mailto:chris at createmarketing.co.uk>

Many thanks
Chris

From drew at sulis-interactive.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 10:02:30 2016
From: drew at sulis-interactive.co.uk (Drew Pearce)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:02:30 +0100
Subject: [_] Nav nav tabs - bootstrap style
Message-ID: <02472171-28bf-e467-f317-ca4e303de21b@sulis-interactive.co.uk>

Hi _

I've got this problem with linking nav tabs that are not active 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15360112/jump-to-specific-tab-from-another-tab-with-bootstraps-nav-tabs/38654639#38654639

Anyone come across this problem before, I posted on here as a reply 
could take time, I need to resolve this asap. Many thanks in advance.

Drew


From martin at spodnet.net  Fri Jul 29 10:43:07 2016
From: martin at spodnet.net (Martin Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:43:07 +0100
Subject: [_] Nav nav tabs - bootstrap style
In-Reply-To: <02472171-28bf-e467-f317-ca4e303de21b@sulis-interactive.co.uk>
References: <02472171-28bf-e467-f317-ca4e303de21b@sulis-interactive.co.uk>
Message-ID: <b66f9fee-9966-b36f-5140-d03c16e6402b@spodnet.net>

On 29/07/2016 10:02, Drew Pearce wrote:
> Hi _
>
> I've got this problem with linking nav tabs that are not active 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15360112/jump-to-specific-tab-from-another-tab-with-bootstraps-nav-tabs/38654639#38654639
>
> Anyone come across this problem before, I posted on here as a reply 
> could take time, I need to resolve this asap. Many thanks in advance.
>
> Drew
>
Try something like (not tested):

<a href="otherpage.html#thetab">link to tab</a>

then on otherpage.html

<script>

$(document).ready(function() {

var tabLink = $('[href=' + location.hash +']');

tabLink && tabLink.tab('show');

});

</script>

Basically you are looking for the hash in the url, then checking if the 
tab exists and then showing it.

Martin


From carl at sargunar.com  Fri Jul 29 11:47:01 2016
From: carl at sargunar.com (Carl Sargunar)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:47:01 +0100
Subject: [_] Come at me, all you microsoft dynamics CRM freelancers
Message-ID: <CAFRL4J9RFe=fg1=ZgSS1HzMyMwaH22KAr3LcLSvmQUENRXVwww@mail.gmail.com>

.. I have a project I want to discuss with you


Web developer, cyclist, long-haired consultant and generally chilled out
fella
07799 260527
@csargunar <https://www.twitter.com/csargunar> www.sargunar.com
<http://www.sargunar.com/?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gmail>

If this email isn't intended for you, avert your eyes. Look out of the
window instead - it's much nicer out there anyway.

From benlane at nextgreencar.com  Fri Jul 29 11:58:18 2016
From: benlane at nextgreencar.com (Ben Lane)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:58:18 +0100
Subject: [_] Native app developer required
Message-ID: <CAJyfXvr=+q400pUk89HBRbbZWuCRahYTBdf5QZj_WYbFuXRqHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Automotive app company require a native app developer for project work asap
based in South West. Project is to build two identical apps (based on
existing versions) - one for Anrdoid, one for iOS (preferably Swift). Must
be native app developers - PhoneGappers need not apply! Successful
applicant will work with in-house developer who is heading up API
development for both platforms and provide back end support. Remote working
expected with occasional face-to-face meetings throughout project.

For more info, call Ben or Kieran on 0117 929 8855.

Regards,  Ben
Next Green Car, Zap-Map

From james at siteclick.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 13:18:28 2016
From: james at siteclick.co.uk (James Carmichael)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:18:28 +0100
Subject: [_] PHP - Sagepay Server
Message-ID: <CAM-T=wiLH5iRALm+pitPA+d7mHOV6m+WQ9kT=5E58=SrJRWZig@mail.gmail.com>

Hi _,

I have a client site written in PHP/MySQL currently using SagePay Form, and
they wish to upgrade it to Sagepay Server.

Just wondering if any PHP freelance devs out there who have prior
experience with Sagepay Server might be interested in doing this work?

If so would it be possible to contact me off-list with an idea of timescale
and cost?

Many thanks,
James

From chris at cdhinteractive.net  Fri Jul 29 17:31:46 2016
From: chris at cdhinteractive.net (Chris Hexter)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:31:46 +0100
Subject: [_] Baffling MySQL query
Message-ID: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hiya _,

Wondering if any MySQL guru can answer this one:

1 innoDB table, properly indexed (according to its developer anyway!)
Table has around 80000 records
The following query:

    SELECT COUNT(`visitedpage`) AS mostleaved,`visitedpage`
    FROM table
    WHERE `visitdate` >= '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' AND
`visit_timestamp` IN (
    SELECT MAX(`visit_timestamp`) FROM `table` WHERE `visitdate` >=
'2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' GROUP BY `session_id_person`
    )
    GROUP BY `visitedpage`
    ORDER BY `mostleaved` DESC

Running this query on MySQL 5.5.50 on a dedicated server crashes said
server (have to restart mysql to get it back up)

However, running the same query on a duplicate of the table on MySQL 5.6.26
(albeit on a xampp win32 installation) returns instant results.

Why? :(

Anyway, time for a beer, cheers for any thoughts! :)

Chris

From martinm at it-helps.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 17:39:13 2016
From: martinm at it-helps.co.uk (Martin Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:39:13 +0100
Subject: [_] Baffling MySQL query
In-Reply-To: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8936FA2-FA65-468E-ABE1-60145D09B566@it-helps.co.uk>

My only question would be was the duplicate created properly (dump/restore)?

If not the indexes (and maybe the data) will be screwed.

Martin.



On 29/07/2016, 17:31, "Underscore on behalf of Chris Hexter" <underscore-bounces at under-score.org.uk on behalf of chris at cdhinteractive.net> wrote:

    Hiya _,
    
    Wondering if any MySQL guru can answer this one:
    
    1 innoDB table, properly indexed (according to its developer anyway!)
    Table has around 80000 records
    The following query:
    
        SELECT COUNT(`visitedpage`) AS mostleaved,`visitedpage`
        FROM table
        WHERE `visitdate` >= '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' AND
    `visit_timestamp` IN (
        SELECT MAX(`visit_timestamp`) FROM `table` WHERE `visitdate` >=
    '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' GROUP BY `session_id_person`
        )
        GROUP BY `visitedpage`
        ORDER BY `mostleaved` DESC
    
    Running this query on MySQL 5.5.50 on a dedicated server crashes said
    server (have to restart mysql to get it back up)
    
    However, running the same query on a duplicate of the table on MySQL 5.6.26
    (albeit on a xampp win32 installation) returns instant results.
    
    Why? :(
    
    Anyway, time for a beer, cheers for any thoughts! :)
    
    Chris
    -- 
    underscore_ list info/archive -> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
    



From davehodg at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 18:18:44 2016
From: davehodg at gmail.com (Dave Hodgkinson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:18:44 +0100
Subject: [_] Baffling MySQL query
In-Reply-To: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2CF8DF04-E4D8-4119-B56E-0EB30AD9B5AF@gmail.com>

Bug.

Dump the data, restore it to a shiny new MySQL. Re-run the query.

Do the digging on how to get a core dump, get one, file a bug.


> On 29 Jul 2016, at 17:31, Chris Hexter <chris at cdhinteractive.net> wrote:
> 
> Hiya _,
> 
> Wondering if any MySQL guru can answer this one:
> 
> 1 innoDB table, properly indexed (according to its developer anyway!)
> Table has around 80000 records
> The following query:
> 
>    SELECT COUNT(`visitedpage`) AS mostleaved,`visitedpage`
>    FROM table
>    WHERE `visitdate` >= '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' AND
> `visit_timestamp` IN (
>    SELECT MAX(`visit_timestamp`) FROM `table` WHERE `visitdate` >=
> '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' GROUP BY `session_id_person`
>    )
>    GROUP BY `visitedpage`
>    ORDER BY `mostleaved` DESC
> 
> Running this query on MySQL 5.5.50 on a dedicated server crashes said
> server (have to restart mysql to get it back up)
> 
> However, running the same query on a duplicate of the table on MySQL 5.6.26
> (albeit on a xampp win32 installation) returns instant results.
> 
> Why? :(
> 
> Anyway, time for a beer, cheers for any thoughts! :)
> 
> Chris
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From robin at ultrasimplified.com  Fri Jul 29 19:19:57 2016
From: robin at ultrasimplified.com (Robin Layfield)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:19:57 +0100
Subject: [_] Baffling MySQL query
In-Reply-To: <UID5302-1463954867>
References: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <UID5302-1463954867>
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Hi Chris,

Try optimising the table and checking the indices like Martin said, also would using BETWEEN be more efficient for the dates than >= and <= ?

try prioritising the conditions with brackets because it is possible that it's testing all the conditions against AND, AND, AND, eg.

date >= a date ?AND timestamp IN?

AND?

date <= date AND timestamp IN

Maybe JOIN a view rather than a nested subquery?

Finally, you could get MySQL to EXPLAIN the query and give you some clues as to what it's doing and wha'ts overloading it.

thanks,
Robin
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From:?Martin Moore <martinm at it-helps.co.uk>
Reply:?underscore at under-score.org.uk <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
Date:?29 July 2016 at 17:39:13
To:?Underscore <underscore at under-score.org.uk>
Subject:? Re: [_] Baffling MySQL query  

My only question would be was the duplicate created properly (dump/restore)?  

If not the indexes (and maybe the data) will be screwed.  

Martin.  



On 29/07/2016, 17:31, "Underscore on behalf of Chris Hexter" <underscore-bounces at under-score.org.uk on behalf of chris at cdhinteractive.net> wrote:  

Hiya _,  

Wondering if any MySQL guru can answer this one:  

1 innoDB table, properly indexed (according to its developer anyway!)  
Table has around 80000 records  
The following query:  

SELECT COUNT(`visitedpage`) AS mostleaved,`visitedpage`  
FROM table  
WHERE `visitdate` >= '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' AND  
`visit_timestamp` IN (  
SELECT MAX(`visit_timestamp`) FROM `table` WHERE `visitdate` >=  
'2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' GROUP BY `session_id_person`  
)  
GROUP BY `visitedpage`  
ORDER BY `mostleaved` DESC  

Running this query on MySQL 5.5.50 on a dedicated server crashes said  
server (have to restart mysql to get it back up)  

However, running the same query on a duplicate of the table on MySQL 5.6.26  
(albeit on a xampp win32 installation) returns instant results.  

Why? :(  

Anyway, time for a beer, cheers for any thoughts! :)  

Chris  
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From joe at tao.org.uk  Fri Jul 29 21:57:53 2016
From: joe at tao.org.uk (Dr Josef Karthauser)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:57:53 +0100
Subject: [_] Baffling MySQL query
In-Reply-To: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11A751CE-F883-4EDE-BA9B-4A8D26003CF6@tao.org.uk>

Given that it just works on MySQL 5.6.26 can you upgrade the failing dedicated server to the same version and try it there.

Failing that, downgrade the test server to 5.5.50 and verify whether you get the same crash.

That?ll rule out and environmental issue vs a mysql bug.

Cheers,
Joe

> On 29 Jul 2016, at 17:31, Chris Hexter <chris at cdhinteractive.net> wrote:
> 
> Hiya _,
> 
> Wondering if any MySQL guru can answer this one:
> 
> 1 innoDB table, properly indexed (according to its developer anyway!)
> Table has around 80000 records
> The following query:
> 
>   SELECT COUNT(`visitedpage`) AS mostleaved,`visitedpage`
>   FROM table
>   WHERE `visitdate` >= '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' AND
> `visit_timestamp` IN (
>   SELECT MAX(`visit_timestamp`) FROM `table` WHERE `visitdate` >=
> '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' GROUP BY `session_id_person`
>   )
>   GROUP BY `visitedpage`
>   ORDER BY `mostleaved` DESC
> 
> Running this query on MySQL 5.5.50 on a dedicated server crashes said
> server (have to restart mysql to get it back up)
> 
> However, running the same query on a duplicate of the table on MySQL 5.6.26
> (albeit on a xampp win32 installation) returns instant results.
> 
> Why? :(
> 
> Anyway, time for a beer, cheers for any thoughts! :)
> 
> Chris
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From chris at cdhinteractive.net  Sat Jul 30 12:45:05 2016
From: chris at cdhinteractive.net (Chris Hexter)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:45:05 +0100
Subject: [_] Baffling MySQL query
In-Reply-To: <11A751CE-F883-4EDE-BA9B-4A8D26003CF6@tao.org.uk>
References: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <11A751CE-F883-4EDE-BA9B-4A8D26003CF6@tao.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAMtgncg_hb-Naa1Zasu=VZHeWkTfp_wFzpdj305DHpu3v5w9gg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all so much for the suggestions, will crack on with it on monday
:)

Cheers again,

Chris

On 29 July 2016 at 21:57, Dr Josef Karthauser <joe at tao.org.uk> wrote:

> Given that it just works on MySQL 5.6.26 can you upgrade the failing
> dedicated server to the same version and try it there.
>
> Failing that, downgrade the test server to 5.5.50 and verify whether you
> get the same crash.
>
> That?ll rule out and environmental issue vs a mysql bug.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe
>
> > On 29 Jul 2016, at 17:31, Chris Hexter <chris at cdhinteractive.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hiya _,
> >
> > Wondering if any MySQL guru can answer this one:
> >
> > 1 innoDB table, properly indexed (according to its developer anyway!)
> > Table has around 80000 records
> > The following query:
> >
> >   SELECT COUNT(`visitedpage`) AS mostleaved,`visitedpage`
> >   FROM table
> >   WHERE `visitdate` >= '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' AND
> > `visit_timestamp` IN (
> >   SELECT MAX(`visit_timestamp`) FROM `table` WHERE `visitdate` >=
> > '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' GROUP BY `session_id_person`
> >   )
> >   GROUP BY `visitedpage`
> >   ORDER BY `mostleaved` DESC
> >
> > Running this query on MySQL 5.5.50 on a dedicated server crashes said
> > server (have to restart mysql to get it back up)
> >
> > However, running the same query on a duplicate of the table on MySQL
> 5.6.26
> > (albeit on a xampp win32 installation) returns instant results.
> >
> > Why? :(
> >
> > Anyway, time for a beer, cheers for any thoughts! :)
> >
> > Chris
> > --
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> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
> >
>
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From keef at thechemistryset.co.uk  Sat Jul 30 17:14:34 2016
From: keef at thechemistryset.co.uk (keith reay)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:14:34 +0100
Subject: [_] Upgrading an iPad 2 to iOS 9
Message-ID: <CAAwyRD7MevyBYzC0_swRDJSov+gnsQPFPhvx+TR=WFKhA_KCDQ@mail.gmail.com>

don't do it!

i have an ipad 2 which was running beautifully on ios8 and since i
'upgraded' it its performance is terrible. apps, including apple ones,
crash and its speed is sluggish. it seems to me that the ipad 2 is not
built for ios9, despite apple saying it works. worse thing is i can no
longer use it with my ?100 usb interface to make music

fact is you can't go back if you decide you don't like it. apple have
stopped signing any earlier ios, something which i truly hate about apple.
to me it demonstrates to a T that apple want you to junk your older
technology and buy new ones

can we use our [_] muscle and persuade apple to sign for older ios?
pleeeeeeeeeeez

keef

From frstep at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 18:57:02 2016
From: frstep at gmail.com (Fraser Stephens)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:57:02 +0100
Subject: [_] Current home printer opinions?
In-Reply-To: <59ab923c-da65-272f-fc54-cab1982e76fd@brrll.co.uk>
References: <CAF_xY7rZpFh_JtujJFPiSUUoZT4oHHckU+vCf8cKvQyFLJOAAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CF551E2F-2133-4A5F-800B-2AD3884EDB2F@watershed.co.uk>
 <CA+8arc2ZEjE3VfACdLGm55BYRpXt-SJvMaa=cyTcS3aJGZB9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <578613d2.6922c20a.8bef5.08ce@mx.google.com>
 <CAF_xY7oX6N8mRs47JujLn8jdff8wJkAqOT35eojD4iAtaxD37g@mail.gmail.com>
 <fbd84d12-b404-ddf9-cf10-45d84dea2c1d@brrll.co.uk>
 <20160713231922.Horde.zh1ha5eRUz5nyq2xxgBd6ti@slackmail.co.uk>
 <59ab923c-da65-272f-fc54-cab1982e76fd@brrll.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAF_xY7rdHaS8YMp69tD+5Nymb-DH+sz8ZofswRSPFT0-BrH+wA@mail.gmail.com>

Update: bought an Brother MFC-L8650CDW, mainly because toners don't have
chips in them so easy to refill and ?100 cashback so cheaper than many
lesser models.

So, the HP is off to the recyclers. Anyone want some full and semi-full
HP940 cartridges?

F.

On 16 July 2016 at 02:17, Richard Barrell <rchrd at brrll.co.uk> wrote:

> On 13/07/16 23:19, sam at bristolwireless.net wrote:
> > I sometimes use this to send letters or photos to my grandmother, or
> > send off official documents
> >
> > http://www.pc2paper.co.uk/send-letters/postage-prices.aspx
> >
> > It's fairly cheap and means I get by entirely printer-less.
>
> Bookmarked, thank you.
>
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From eroomydna at gmail.com  Sun Jul 31 12:30:38 2016
From: eroomydna at gmail.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:30:38 +0100
Subject: [_] Baffling MySQL query
In-Reply-To: <CAMtgncg_hb-Naa1Zasu=VZHeWkTfp_wFzpdj305DHpu3v5w9gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtgnciWD_zdKOgbXCDM1WW+YaPaRZOcrRLSBqa5iuB2oqJk+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <11A751CE-F883-4EDE-BA9B-4A8D26003CF6@tao.org.uk>
 <CAMtgncg_hb-Naa1Zasu=VZHeWkTfp_wFzpdj305DHpu3v5w9gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGTTpygq3_ojP7oGzR8oHC8gFYD+pmdjXxpjpG5wO0pmp5Rc6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Chris,

relatively speculative advice given so far. The MySQL error log will
contain a crash entry that provides you with information about what
happened and where in the system issue arose. This is going to be the
starting point. The best thing is that you can reproduce it and with some
digging around the bugs database you'll be able to see if it's a known bug
rather than opening a new one without research.

Whilst it sounds buggy, it might be a system specific issue such as config
or resource related. You're varying things with the switch to another
system with different version so the test you've performed is not
like-for-like. Since the query doesn't crash new versions it might be that
it's already fixed in a newer version of MySQL.

Feel free to reach out on Monday if you have more information and I'll show
you more places and tools we use at Percona <http://www.percona.com> to
debug these types of issues.

BR

Andrew

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Chris Hexter <chris at cdhinteractive.net>
wrote:

> Thank you all so much for the suggestions, will crack on with it on monday
> :)
>
> Cheers again,
>
> Chris
>
> On 29 July 2016 at 21:57, Dr Josef Karthauser <joe at tao.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Given that it just works on MySQL 5.6.26 can you upgrade the failing
> > dedicated server to the same version and try it there.
> >
> > Failing that, downgrade the test server to 5.5.50 and verify whether you
> > get the same crash.
> >
> > That?ll rule out and environmental issue vs a mysql bug.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Joe
> >
> > > On 29 Jul 2016, at 17:31, Chris Hexter <chris at cdhinteractive.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hiya _,
> > >
> > > Wondering if any MySQL guru can answer this one:
> > >
> > > 1 innoDB table, properly indexed (according to its developer anyway!)
> > > Table has around 80000 records
> > > The following query:
> > >
> > >   SELECT COUNT(`visitedpage`) AS mostleaved,`visitedpage`
> > >   FROM table
> > >   WHERE `visitdate` >= '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' AND
> > > `visit_timestamp` IN (
> > >   SELECT MAX(`visit_timestamp`) FROM `table` WHERE `visitdate` >=
> > > '2016-07-25' AND `visitdate` <= '2016-07-31' GROUP BY
> `session_id_person`
> > >   )
> > >   GROUP BY `visitedpage`
> > >   ORDER BY `mostleaved` DESC
> > >
> > > Running this query on MySQL 5.5.50 on a dedicated server crashes said
> > > server (have to restart mysql to get it back up)
> > >
> > > However, running the same query on a duplicate of the table on MySQL
> > 5.6.26
> > > (albeit on a xampp win32 installation) returns instant results.
> > >
> > > Why? :(
> > >
> > > Anyway, time for a beer, cheers for any thoughts! :)
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > --
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