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[_] OT: but please dont look away

Sam Mignano sam at
Fri Nov 28 16:16:07 GMT 2008

It is worrying that causes such as this risk being overlooked and ignored
because of the reputation of the organisation who is trying to fight it. I
don’t know the answer to that one - I am not familiar with Peta - it was the
video that shocked me to posting, I didn’t really read up about Peta.

I did say I am probably being naïve in my post. 
It is not something I would have any clue of how to go about campaigning
for, for it to stop - so I guess it is left to the Peta's of this world

I just couldn’t quite believe my eyes when I saw the terror and horror in
that video and it's human nature for most people to want such things to

I don’t apologise for posting the message, I was not trying to educate
anyone - just sharing what I thought of the horrific video I saw and sending
it on to others to help raise awareness. 

My £1.20 ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Wintle [mailto:timwintle at] 
Sent: 28 November 2008 15:52
To: underscore at
Subject: Re: [_] OT: but please dont look away

That is a really horrible video, and I feel bad for posting this as a
reply, but since that video was posted on a PETA website I feel I have
to drop this in...

Please feel free to go ahead and sign the petition, but please don't
support PETA, they have well-known links to violent crimes across the
world (they have several convicted violent protesters on their

couple of quotes:

"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are acceptable crimes
when used for the animal cause." (Alex Pacheco, President of PETA at
the time, and it's co-founder, 1989)

"I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals
out or burn them down." (Ingrid Newkirk President and co-founder of
PETA, 1997)

it's also worth mentioning that their leaders strongly oppose keeping
any animals as pets:

"we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if
the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and
regarded as "pets"—never existed." (PETA website)

I know that they do not (under the name "PETA") commit violent crimes,
and their official view is that they "will have to put up with" some
people keeping pets, but they do spend a large amount of their donated
money giving to organisations who do not keep that official line, and
use all of the techniques mentioned above, including arson, property
destruction, and other violent crimes.

I have had personal friends and their families attacked by people who
have been financed by PETA (for testing vetenary medicines on the
animals it was designed to treat...), and I feel very strongly about

Tim W

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Sam Mignano <sam at> wrote:
> HI All,
> I am not normally one to post publicly on animal rights despite feeling
> strongly about them, however today I was sent the most horrific video of
> practices of "people" involved in the fur trade in China, and how there
> no regulations regarding the animals living in this horror. Dogs and cats
> are skinned alive and stay alive for some time after being skinned - and
> apparently this is legal?
> I don't know how many people know about this - I didn't.
> You can view the horrific video at
> (not for the faint
> hearted) and also read more info on the practice.
> If you are as outraged as I am, please send this to as many people as
> possible that you know and get them to sign the petitions below, I don't
> know how much difference can be made as I am fairly skeptical of petitions
> and governments etc - but having watched the video (well I managed about
> first couple of minutes before being physically sick), doing nothing is
> an option for me.
> I did a quick google for petitions and found one on number10 petitions
> appears to cover many China animal issues rather than live skinning
> specifically.
> I also found:
> Facebook petition :
> Petition to Chinese Government:
> I don't really understand how our government works with other countries
> or if there is anything they can do to help/stop it etc - but cant they
> impose sanctions and penalties and stuff if people make enough fuss about
> it? (I am probably being naïve - especially when compared to recent news
> Mugabe stuff - I guess animals pale in to insignificance when compared to
> human suffering they cant put a stop to either)
> It just seems wrong not to try tho - that dog in the video that lifted
> head still alive having been skinned has broke my heart in two.
> Sam Mignano
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