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Hi Jeff

That’s exactly what I was looking for. Any thoughts on where to advertise?

Cheers

Barnyboy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Parsons [mailto:bynari8 at googlemail.com] 
Sent: 25 June 2008 16:59
To: underscore at under-score.org.uk
Subject: Re: [_] Salaries and Job adverts.

>
>
> I am looking for someone with all the basic web dev technologies and some
> ASP (classic and .Net) and SQL knowledge. We are a small team and need to
> expand our activities to cover more front end web presence stuff and to
> create some apps to link in to our existing desktop programs. We don't
> really need lots of project management skills or anything too fancy. A bit
> of PHP might also help.


There's no such thing as 'basic web dev technologies'.

It sounds like you don't really know what you want, or you've got a
few positions to fill and you're trying to fill them with 1 person..
Assuming it's not the latter..


The first thing you need to do is sit down and have a discussion with
the existing developers to find out what the core technology you're
using. PHP with MySQL? Perl with MySQL? Perl/Catalyst with PostgreSQL,
.net asp with microsoft sql server etc etc. Then you advertise for a
position for that core technology. Developers HATE job adverts that
are a cocktail of technologies. Even if we had the time to become an
expert in everything we don't want to. We pick something we enjoy
working with and we look for work in that field.

'A bit of PHP' is quite useless because if for instance your core
applications are written in .net asp and you hire a good asp
programmer, he will very easily be able to spend a week or 2 getting
to grips with the basics of PHP to fit your 'bit of PHP' category. :-)

As soon as most developers see a whole list of technologies for a job,
ESPECIALLY when that job doesn't even know what salary to offer or is
offering a low salary they instantly lose respect for the company
offering the position and swiftly move on.

As for salary :    £20k = useless person or you might get lucky and
get someone good with no commercial experience who needs to get on the
ladder.
                        £25k = average programmer. Generally needs a
lot of supervision unless he's working on very standard stuff.
                        £30k = At this wage you'll start to get
someone competent who can work without any assistance on challenging
stuff.
                        £40k+ = Very good programmer who will produce
good quality code.


Of course it varies depending on the language and the type of work,
but these are good starting figures..



Cheers,
Jeff

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